Thank You America

[HoreTore]

Depends who you believe, doesn't it? How high was Mr. Hussein's, again?

I really don't think it's a good sign when we, as free democratic nations, start comparing ourselves with despotic and murderous dictators....

[Samurai Waki]

actually our body count is fairly low... Arabs/Iraqis killing Iraqis... not so much... but, I'm not so sure anybody could have lessened the blow, except perhaps themselves.

I think the idea that any nation can save people from themselves is a rather foolhardy notion, it may have happened just as easily without the prospect of American intervention.

EDIT: and in fact it did... several times.

[rotorgun]

An interesting article, but one man's opinion does not an argument make. I appreciate his rhetorical examples, and they do make one pause and reflect...do other Iraqis feel this way as well? We shall see.

Here is a link which may shed some light on the effectiveness of the Iraqi security forces we are about to turn over the country to:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://www.mywarvideo.com/play.php?vid=132

I sure hope that this isn't a widespread example.

PS: The language is a bit strong, so take care that the kiddies aren't around.

[KukriKhan]

Thank You America

Ya welcome.


No charge.

This time.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I really don't think it's a good sign when we, as free democratic nations, start comparing ourselves with despotic and murderous dictators....

Yes, because we democratic nations are really responsible for the majority of those deaths.

Did you think desposing Hussein could have, practically, been bloodless?

[HoreTore]

Yes, because we democratic nations are really responsible for the majority of those deaths.

Did you think desposing Hussein could have, practically, been bloodless?

Bloodless, no, but there are plenty of revolutions/liberations in the world with relatively few casualties. Saddam was weak, he was in no position to cause a bloodbath, the concern is how the different factions in Iraq would behave towards each other without a foreign occupier.

[Centurion1]

Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
What's the body count in Iraq at now? 300k?

I think its more around 3k my friend you added some extra zeros. Even with iraqi "casualties" the death toll is nowhere near 300k.

The question isnt WHAT they would do without a foreign oppressor, it is what they WILL do now that Obama is running away with his tail between his legs. Sighs why does america have no more persevering spirit...... (vietnam, korea.)

[miotas]

Well there's always the option of just keeping your nose out of other people's buisness in the first place...

[Centurion1]

However, sometimes intervention is a necessary evil. i may think we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, but i think once you start a job you shouldn't leave it half finished.

[Lemur]

I think its more around 3k my friend you added some extra zeros. Even with iraqi "casualties" the death toll is nowhere near 300k.

If you do any reading on the subject of casualties and Iraq, you'll find that the numbers are very hard to pin down (of Iraqi casualties, not Coalition).

Here's a site that tries to pull the Coalition numbers together. Their latest tally:

U.S.: 4,327
U.K.: 179
Other coalition: 139

U.S. wounded: 31,156

Estimate of Iraqi civilians: 45,611
Estimate of Iraqi Security Forces: 9,142

Note that these numbers do not take into account the ethnic cleansing that was occurring neighborhood-to-neighborhood for the last three years.

[Centurion1]

i understand the difficulty that is required in pinning down the casualties. However i believe that making a claim of 300k is rather absurd to claim.

[HoreTore]

i understand the difficulty that is required in pinning down the casualties. However i believe that making a claim of 300k is rather absurd to claim.

Bah, the estimates I've seen are ranging from just under 100k up to over 300k.


And yes, I am of course talking about people. Not just american soldiers. Funnily, I care about other humans too....

But hey, aas far as I know, "casualty" means everyone not able to fight on(ie. including wounded), not just those killed... So if we're talking about that, the figure is likely to be at least 300k...

[Lemur]

300k is rather absurd to claim.

Um, why? In the absence of verifiable numbers, with neither the Iraqi government nor the coalition forces counting Iraqi deaths, and with documented fatalities pushing 100k, why would 300k be "absurd"? The ethnic cleansing has been very intense, by all reputable accounts. Whole neighborhoods and towns have become Shia-only or Sunni-only or Kurd-only, and neither we nor the Iraqi guv have been able to put that dragon back in the bottle.

There have been a lot of casualty numbers batted around. I would think carefully, and back up my argument before labeling one "absurd."