Cold war Crisis. [Concluded]

[Zim]

India congratulates West Germany's people on their decision to reject their former leader's aggressive plans. Truly they have shown one of the strong points of a democratic government, that the people can stop a madman from taking their country down a ruinous road.

A parade shall be thrown in Delhi within the week honoring the new German Prime Minister, who is of course invited to be the guest of honor at the festivities, should he choose.

[Death is yonder]

India is congratulating Germany on obtaining disorder and dissent?

[Zim]

We are congratulating their people on not accepting their former leader's uncalled for aggression. With so many invasions going on in these turbulent times, some at the slightest pretext, it is nice to see a people rise up and say they will not have war.

[TheFlax]

We are referring to the currently occupied Middle Easterns, namely we are talking about the Afghans.

We are insinuating that despite our peaceful attempts to install order into the city via pming to the almighty host, the situation has only deteriorated.

Its not as if our forces our out looting in the cities, causing mass inflation, directing all goods to be consumed by Russians and used by us, and leaving barely anything to the natives.

Hardly!

We are attempting to improve the situation, build up a police force consisting of locals, improve health care and education.

We have not even imposed martial laws, curfews, or secret police or whatever shady businesses of ruling through fear.

We are merely saying that in the interest of gaining peace faster, if peaceful methods are totally rejected by the people who are willing to resort to extreme measures, especially if given foreign aid, we have no choice but to turn to harsher measures, rather than just letting the people go about their daily business as per normal.

This is unsurprising as it has been shown through history that occupations of a foreign land and culture generally fares poorly. Of course, Russia can make it easier on the Afghan people by simply leaving.

[Death is yonder]

This is unsurprising as it has been shown through history that occupations of a foreign land and culture generally fares poorly. Of course, Russia can make it easier on the Afghan people by simply leaving.

We had hoped that peaceful methods unlike our historical predecessors would allow the Afghan people to realize that whats done is done and now its time to rebuild.

Surely the militants realize that their attacks will only prolong the period of occupation as we seek to address the restoration of various facilities such as schools and related items.

If we were to leave now, it would hardly make a difference.

Did you realize in the entire first phase we had NOTHING in Afghanistan? Well granted we didn't even know that we were suppose to administrate over it, but still...

That is equivalent to a full withdrawal.

What happened? The situation merely deteriorated.

We will attempt to leave within by the end of next year

Russian troops will began a steady withdrawal, speed of which will depend on militant activity, which only looks to be picking up.

If militant activity is high, surely even Pakistan can understand if we stayed to reduce all these terrorist groups who additionally would be reigning in terror NEXT to your border as well as conducting illegal activities and would likely result in greater crime rates in Pakistan?

[TheFlax]

If Pakistan could send observers in Afghanistan to make sure the Soviet Union keeps its word, then perhaps the zeal of its population may wither and the Pakistani armed forces may be able to prevent most of the influx of militants into the country.

[Zim]

Would said Paskistani observers have the legitamacy in the eyes of the Afghani people needed for their presence to have an effect? I am not sure the many disparate tribes there would neccessarily see Pakistan as a neutral country, or that they would would accept the arbitration of any other country for that matter.

It is a tricky situation Russia finds itself in. If they withdraw immediately, things will get much worse. If they do not, they will be criticized for not being wanted...

[Ignoramus]

What happened to my PM? I signed up as Brazil ages ago!

[Beefy187]

Soviet Union forces in Afghanistan is obviously creating disorders in some community.
Disorders could easily lead to war, and war is exactly what we do not want.

Japan understands what Pakistan is saying as Soviet Union forces in Afghanistan could be seen as a invasion against Muslim land.

If maintaining peace in Afghanistan is what you are after, I would like to request Soviet Union to withdraw their forces and let Islamic Country such as Pakistan take control of the situation.

If this cannot be done, I am afraid the situation could be heated up, and worst case scenario... War could rage upon your land.

Please take note of this advice from your naive neighbor..



Japan

[Death is yonder]

If Pakistan could send observers in Afghanistan to make sure the Soviet Union keeps its word, then perhaps the zeal of its population may wither and the Pakistani armed forces may be able to prevent most of the influx of militants into the country.

We generally associate observers with spies.

You suggest that we transfer Russian control to Pakistani control?

Really, there is but a slight difference. Foreign occupation to local occupation, its still occupation and that's why there is dissent.

Would said Paskistani observers have the legitamacy in the eyes of the Afghani people needed for their presence to have an effect? I am not sure the many disparate tribes there would neccessarily see Pakistan as a neutral country, or that they would would accept the arbitration of any other country for that matter.

It is a tricky situation Russia finds itself in. If they withdraw immediately, things will get much worse. If they do not, they will be criticized for not being wanted...

We are happy that the Indian diplomat sympathizes with our situation and understands the hole that we are in at the moment.

Soviet Union forces in Afghanistan is obviously creating disorders in some community. obviously creating dissent no matter what country it is.
Disorders could easily lead if not managed carefully as we are attempting to do to war, and war is exactly what we do not want.

It will not lead to war, unless Pakistan pushes the matter, it will merely lead to increased militancy, but thankfully, not war.

Japan understands what Pakistan is saying as Soviet Union forces in Afghanistan could be seen as a invasion against Muslim land.

If maintaining peace in Afghanistan is what you are after, I would like to request Soviet Union to withdraw their forces and let Islamic CountryConvenient Nato Country such as Pakistan take control of the situation.

We would like to know what our trading partners and allies think of the situation.

[Death is yonder]

What happened to my PM? I signed up as Brazil ages ago!

Speaking of which, where is Roadkill?

I believe he signed up as Canada?

Off Topic: Welcome back from... wherever you went Igno, mind jump starting the Asterix game? It would be a shame to let it just die like that, I believe Khaan placed it under temporarily lockdown.

[Beefy187]

To USSR:
Well, please be careful how to handle bullets and missiles.
It could kill someone..

If you do start a war, I am personally coming to Kremlin to slap your head with a paper hammer, and we'll be forced to make a anime about evil Big fish called Soviet.

I hope everything works out with Soviet Union and Pakistan.

[Death is yonder]

Umm..

Back off Japanese person with paper hammers! We are higher tech level than you ( are we? ) WE HAS CARDBOARD HAMMERS.

[pevergreen]

Damn, I have to roleplay peace now.

[White_eyes:D]

Damn, I have to roleplay peace now.

YES!!.....but that won't stop the NPC's from taking me apart.....

Edit: and just so you know....I "Helped" your people to get rid of your President....

[Beefy187]

Umm..

Back off Japanese person with paper hammers! We are higher tech level than you ( are we? ) WE HAS CARDBOARD HAMMERS.

That is a wrong answer my friend.

For that you must be punished by watching the anime of ours...
Japanese girl slapping a Russian Guy

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Strictly speaking, the guy is not Russian, but a Japanese who spent his childhood in Afghanistan and later picked up by Russian

Thats what we plan to do, if you don't back off from Afghanistan

[pevergreen]

That wasnt said OOC, therefore my people know about this.

There will be blood.

Loyalist faction, ho!

[Greyblades]

What happened to my PM? I signed up as Brazil ages ago!

You dissapeared without asking again and I forgot about it .

Maybe theres some confusion over what happened in Germany well it goes like this after the messes of the first and second world wars that allmost completely destroyed Germany their people have been taken the standpoint of "never again" add that to the whole "We've got an very agressive enemy just a border away and our leader wants us to alienate all our freinds?!" it was doomed to failure.

Look I will let you do allmost anything as long as it isnt ridiculous but there are afew things that some countries just will not do no matter the situation.

[Death is yonder]

That is a wrong answer my friend.

For that you must be punished by watching the anime of ours...
Japanese girl slapping a Russian Guy

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Strictly speaking, the guy is not Russian, but a Japanese who spent his childhood in Afghanistan and later picked up by Russian

Thats what we plan to do, if you don't back off from Afghanistan

We're backing off

Just gonna take a while, for reasons stated in the past already.

Its not gonna be *snap finger* *woosh!* and suddenly Afghanistan is left to the militants and you hear loud whooping and gun fire, as well as people screaming.

[Centurion1]

HA, HA, Germany has a nation that refuses to war upon people.

Beskar, you want to quit. dude, that weak man, you can't drop out of the race right now (plus you dont even have to deal with saudis and egyptians yet.....white eyes does.)

China wishes to make an announcement that Hong Kong will be traded back to China at the end of this turn by our friends the British. The british prime minister will be making a statement at a later time.

We demand that a coherent timetable be drawn up regarding the situation in Afghanistan. we also demand that Pakistan stop heckling russia, we believe Pakistan would not hold as good a grip as russia on the occupation of Afghanistan and we want a real nation their not just a scum hole of slavers and smugglers.

Also China has entered into diplomatic relations with Pakistan and India about Kashmir.

Long live the Red Republic

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Czechoslovakia asks forgiveness - we were misunderstood. We did not intend to imply you started it, but that Czechoslovakia implies you did nothing about it, until now, when the South Africa intruded upon British territory.

Thus, we find your motives as to freeing the South African people, in question. Czechoslovakia will help in freeing the people, but will not help in British conquest. Thus, Czechoslovakia is partial to Pakistans suggestion, however it does advocate some form of direct action.

ahhh now I understand, and yes you have an excellent point. But it is not just I who have sat back and allowed this to happen. We have all allowed the South Africans to continue their reign of terror. And now we are finally ending it.

Russia I am sorry if it was not you, but my PM specified that South africa could not have afforded the equipment they had on them. And this attack on Rhodesia is not historical, so someone put them up to it.


Yes, Britain is handing Hong Kong back to china, partly because all military units we have in the area are being brought to assist the South African campaign.
But we wish for everyone to Know this is a great step in maintaining friendship in the far east, Truly we are simply returning the area back to its rightful rulers, ect. ect. you get the drill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, Britain is handing Hong Kong back to china, partly because all military units we have in the area are being brought to assist the South African campaign.
But we wish for everyone to Know this is a great step in maintaining friendship in the far east, Truly we are simply returning the area back to its rightful rulers, ect. ect. you get the drill.

Smart move.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Silence Pizza guy! I cant look like the loser in this!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Silence Pizza guy! I cant look like the loser in this!

Hardly. Hong Kong under British rule was unsustainable given the objectives of Great Britain. Making friends with the Chinese is also a good move. Both just and strategically wise. I'm just applauding your decision because I think it was a brilliant one.

There's never any shame in a good move.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

just wait till the Czechs get here. They will find SOME way to make it into a bad move.

[Beefy187]

We're backing off

Just gonna take a while, for reasons stated in the past already.

Its not gonna be *snap finger* *woosh!* and suddenly Afghanistan is left to the militants and you hear loud whooping and gun fire, as well as people screaming.

I to the wise leader of USSR.

[Askthepizzaguy]

just wait till the Czechs get here. They will find SOME way to make it into a bad move.

I'll refrain from commenting on what the Czechs consider wise strategy, and let them deal with their own issues in their own way.

[Death is yonder]

We demand that a coherent timetable be drawn up regarding the situation in Afghanistan.

Okay?

Current Status, Phase 3, July 3rd 1980?

Plans are to maintain our hold on the Afghan land to deny the militants a strong hold in cities that would surely result in disastrous urban fighting, as well as to maintain a firm presence so as to not encourage the citizens to believe that the short term benefit of joining militancy outweighs the benefit of peaceful coexistence.

Also, due to the supposed heating up of militancy as can be seen, forces will be vigilant, patrolling areas more, but attempting not to use force against targets particularly in civilian areas unless entirely necessary.

Phase 4, October 4th 1980?

With luck, the militancy will be over, but I hardly think that Russia will get off so easily.

If the former is true, begin slowly withdrawing troops in spurts of 5-10 battalions a phase.

Phase 5, January 5th 1981?

Hopefully, militancy will be over by now, and Russia will begin moving out battalions quicker with other forces, and keeping only a token peacekeeping force.

Phase 6, April 6th 1981?

At worse estimates (without foreign aid), militants will be crushed [Yes, we WILL use force] and then we will begin reconstructing infrastructure and public facilities.

At the best optimistic estimate, all Russian forces will pull out by latest July/August 1981, but since this is an optimistic target, we are projecting the probable actual one to be either late or ending 1981.

Unfortunately, if foreign aid or Russian incompetency (by virtue of die) get in the way of success, this may have to be extended further.

ahhh now I understand, and yes you have an excellent point. But it is not just I who have sat back and allowed this to happen. We have all allowed the South Africans to continue their reign of terror. And now we are finally ending it.

Russia I am sorry if it was not you, but my PM specified that South africa could not have afforded the equipment they had on them. And this attack on Rhodesia is not historical, so someone put them up to it.


Yes, Britain is handing Hong Kong back to china, partly because all military units we have in the area are being brought to assist the South African campaign.
But we wish for everyone to Know this is a great step in maintaining friendship in the far east, Truly we are simply returning the area back to its rightful rulers, ect. ect. you get the drill.

The South Africans are pretty poor, but Russia is not the only country who could have done this you know...

Its not historical certainly, but take it from a certain viewpoint.

Its not as if when you sell your weapons to France or something (historically) as an example, you get to dictate how they utilize it.

Just saying that whoever supported this country might not necessarily have supported their wars.

Just some token advice to the British diplomat not to get over paranoid.

I to the wise leader of USSR.

We normally do not extend this form of courtesy to Nato members, but for you, we'll make an exception.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

You speak wise words Russia, I thank you. Perhaps it is just the south Africans. I do assume this means you have no problems with Britain's Invasion of South africa? Unlike some nation I will not go to war without at least knowing how the rest of the UN feels about it.

[Death is yonder]

A bit close to Somalia though, its as if you are planning a preemptive of an invasion

We will remain neutral on the subject of Britain's planned invasion of South Africa, and inquire if it is due to the abundant natural resources, particularly minerals not uncommon in Africa...