Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why so jumpy??

My momma was a frog and my daddy was a grasshopper.

I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies

Thank you.

[White_eyes:D]

I can't lynch Beefy...If he is a townie....I would never forgive myself.. Unvote:Beefy Vote:Beskar

[Beskar]

Unvote:GH Vote:Beefy (Your being far to quiet for your own good....)
Tally
YLC: 4 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow,ATPG)
Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH,AVSM,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix,White_eyes:D)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)
Caius: 1(AVSM)

Are you purposely messing up the tally, according to that, AVSM has 3 votes. I know is he A Very Special Market, but I doubt he is that powerful.
Edit: The Mistake was earlier on. Also noticed it with Pevergreen.

Correct Tally:

Tally

Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH, White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
YLC: 3 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

[Beefy187]

Unvote:GH Vote:Beefy (Your being far to quiet for your own good....)

Talking beefy is an equivalent of man marching towards the mine field, knowing that its a mine field.

Also I would like to point out that I have never ever won a game of mine sweepers.

For a proper defense, I have school everyday. I am unavailable when everyone is active, and I am available when everyone is not.

[White_eyes:D]

I messed up the tally??? (Knew I should have went back and started from the first vote in this round......I toke my tally off of Tratorix's....sorry about that....didn't mean to....)

[A Very Super Market]

Ooh, I like the attention. How do you know I don't have three votes? Put them back on!

[White_eyes:D]

Are you purposely messing up the tally, according to that, AVSM has 3 votes. I know is he A Very Special Market, but I doubt he is that powerful.
Edit: The Mistake was earlier on. Also noticed it with Pevergreen.

Correct Tally:

Tally

Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH, White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
YLC: 3 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

But my tally doesn't seem wrong.....AVSM only has one vote???(and no votes on him?) I don't see what your talking about.....

Edit: I can't see how I missed that......three votes on multiple people.....by one person

[Reenk Roink]

Just saw what happened... typical...

Are you purposely messing up the tally, according to that, AVSM has 3 votes. I know is he A Very Special Market, but I doubt he is that powerful.
Edit: The Mistake was earlier on. Also noticed it with Pevergreen.

Correct Tally:

Tally

Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH, White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
YLC: 3 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

Actually, AVSM didn't unvote. So unless his new vote still counts, his original vote on you does count, and the tally (relevant to you) would be:

Beskar: 5 (Reenk,GH, AVS White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4 (Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)

[Beskar]

He voted Khazaar before me and didn't unvote from it. My tally is correct. Stop falsing it.

[Sigurd]

Beskar is correct that A Very Super Market's vote should be either on Khazaar or Caius as he has not unvoted in any of his changes. Seireikhaan has not put it in his rules that an unvote is needed to change a vote.

We have therefore the option of two tallies:

#1 (need to unvote to change):

Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)

YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 2 (Beskar, Sigurd)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)


#2 (don't need to unvote)

Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)

YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 2 (Beskar, Sigurd)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Caius : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split )

[Sigurd]

It's getting close to the end of this round and I will grant the wish of the dead man.

unvote: Reenk Roink, vote: Beskar

Tally:

Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)

Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)

or

Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)

Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Caius : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split )

[Beskar]

That is dirty cheap shot, Sigurd.

unvote; vote: Beefy182

A bandwagon based around around an OMGUS vote and pasted song lyrics is the most retarded thing in existence.

[Sigurd]

That is dirty cheap shot, Sigurd.

A bandwagon based around around an OMGUS vote and pasted song lyrics is the most retarded thing in existence.

Atheotes accused you of his murder. I think we should at least grant him this.

[Beskar]

It wasn't me and his argument was completely flawed as well. It's stupid how I get always lynched at the beginning as a townie or pro-town role, what did I do? Point out that some one was scummy then the whole basis is a OMGUS with song lyrics? Are we even playing Mafia here?

You know what is really funny? I bet the Mafia is those who haven't even voted. That is how stupid this is. Only way to ever be successful Mafia is to not bother posting, as soon as you legitimate accuse some one of being scummy, you face the music.

Like Swords of the Moons, Ichigo basically never hardly posted and he turned out being Mafia, but anyone who spoke anything, or even proven innocent by a detective were getting lynched off by fools. Probably like Kazaar as Mafia again and he lynched Atheotos because he got a lurker victory in the other game with Ath, so thought to silence him quickly.

Good game.

edit: Added the bit that was added in the double here.

[Beskar]

(double post accident)

[Sigurd]

No need to give up until the fat lady sings.

unvote: Beskar, vote: YLC

Is that a role he has or is it just act?

[Death is yonder]

You know, none of this really helps us at all...

Beskar seems a bit close to his normal self personally, arguing and arguing and being really quite defensive and will counter your arguments.

I don't think he's guilty, at least for now.

[Sigurd]

My thoughts:

Khazaar and Split has yet to vote and are hereby considered total lurkers and halfway to WoK.

AVSM caught my eye for voting himself in round one and voted third on the Beskar bandwagon without unvoting first. I am tempted to call it. Tratorix was third on the Beefy wagon.

I can tell that ATPG and Beskar have had outofthread communication, but I can't see that 'khaan forbids it as long as there are no quoting of PM's or revealing victory conditions. Mafia or TIN? Hard to tell.

[ULC]

No need to give up until the fat lady sings.

unvote: Beskar, vote: YLC

Is that a role he has or is it just act?

I sir, resent what you insinuate about me sir. I have never dealt with shady characters to my knowledge, and would never be one as well.

A good honest, tradesman I am, nothing more.

[seireikhaan]

Er.... right. Sorry for the confusion folks. I do indeed require people to unvote before voting. Beefy is lynched. Writeup to be posted soon.


Beefy : 5 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix, Beskar)
Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
YLC : 4 (DJG, Gibson, Sigurd, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)

[Beefy187]

Guess I gotta die once every few games to keep my reputation

We should've lynched AVSM just for creating that mass confusion

[Reenk Roink]

Farewell Sir Beefy.

because i'm bad, i'm bad... shamon!
you know i'm bad, i'm bad... you know it! (bad bad-really, really bad)

they told him don't you ever come around here
don't wanna see your face you better disappear
the fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear
so beat it.... just beat it!

you better run you better do what you can...

I can tell that ATPG and Beskar have had outofthread communication, but I can't see that 'khaan forbids it as long as there are no quoting of PM's or revealing victory conditions. Mafia or TIN? Hard to tell.

Though I'm not sold on the townie information network (those two only?). Can anyone else come out and say if they were contacted by Beskar or Atpg?

Plus it is doomed to failure by the moonwalking Mafia Spirit so we should nip it in the bud.

The way I see it right now, Atpg either saved Beskar as a Mafia partner or maybe as a sarcastic attempt against my case. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after Beskar.

[Tratorix]

The way I see it right now, Atpg either saved Beskar as a Mafia partner or maybe as a sarcastic attempt against my case. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after Beskar.

The thing is, ATPG is fairly good at being mafia and I don't see why he would take the risk of trying to save Beskar. Beskar is being his normal paranoid and reactionary self, I've gone after him for it before. It doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty and we definitely shouldn't be planning our lynches around that assumption.

[seireikhaan]

As the council began this day, I began to feel hope for the savages. A modicum of civility seemed in order. The discussion actually seemed to be a discussion, instead of a fight. Alas, my hope was dashed by the time the sun rose to its highest. Tribesmen began singing of terror, accusing each other of mental incapacity, and small skirmishes broke out on multiple occasions between members. The day seemed to prolong itself with unrelenting ruthlessness. Members began to quiet themselves as they grew bored with the council, and once again, a few here and there departed for lengths of time to go for a ride on their steeds. Curiously, just as the sun was about to set, and Shinzei Khan was to end the council, a brief flame of debate lit itself, until it was finally extinguished by Shinzei in order to end the council. He turned to me, requesting a recitation of the tribseman who gathered the most suspicion as an infiltrator. I informed him it was a man by the name of Beefy. Shinzei ordered him to be restrained. Beefy was forced into a submissive stance, his neck exposed to the temporary leader of the camp. Shinzei unsheathed his scimitar, and, wielding it with both hands, brought it with such force that Beefy's head was rendered clean from his neck, and sent rolling. Shinzei sent me back to my tent for the night. I hoped that this might finally be put to a stop. Though I had two apparently dedicated guards, I was growing increasingly agitated at the continued death...

-- The Record of Zhang Qian

[Reenk Roink]

The thing is, ATPG is fairly good at being mafia and I don't see why he would take the risk of trying to save Beskar. Beskar is being his normal paranoid and reactionary self, I've gone after him for it before. It doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty and we definitely shouldn't be planning our lynches around that assumption.

All right, let's grant the premise that due to their behavioral staticness, both Beskar and Atpg may not have a great case on them. Who should we lynch then?

The other choices seem unsatisfactory to me at least. AVSM forgets to unvote, a very forgivable mistake given that it wasn't really made explicit until now.

YLC is selling his vote. Why should this be considered bad? I consider it good. YLC is making the game more interesting and fun, the real purpose of the game, we shouldn't crucify those who do so. He has not done anything bad, and all his transactions are out in the open. He is an honest businessman as he says, until proven otherwise. For the concerns of power swinging, at the moment, one vote isn't going to do anything anyway.

And DJgingivitis is also not one I'd go after. For all his picking on YLC, I believe his "neutral" comment was misinterpreted. I think gingivitis meant to say that we don't really know YLC's alignment, like we don't [I]really/I] know anyone else's but ours and maybe the killed people.

The way I see it, I'd rather have had Atpg and Beskar lynched the first two rounds, two players with some suspicion their way, than FactionHeir and Beefy which were really nothing more than random lynchings.

[Tratorix]

How are they suspicious? All I've seen from you on this is the fact that ATPG voted for someone other than Beskar and Micheal Jackson lyrics. Honestly lynching Beskar because there are "no better choices" is unsatisfactory in itself, but wanting to lynch ATPG because he voted to save someone you want to lynch because you can't find anyone better? Strikes me as lazy at best and scummy at worst.

[TinCow]

The thing is, ATPG is fairly good at being mafia and I don't see why he would take the risk of trying to save Beskar.

I'm not saying ATPG is mafia, far from it, but the above statement is flawed. This game has only two mafioso. If one was about to go out on Day 2, I would expect their partner to try and save them. Not doing so significantly raises the prospect of defeat.

In general, I don't see anything to be concerned with so far. It's rare for anything decent to appear in the first two days, and this game isn't an exception.

[Tratorix]

I'm not saying ATPG is mafia, far from it, but the above statement is flawed. This game has only two mafioso. If one was about to go out on Day 2, I would expect their partner to try and save them. Not doing so significantly raises the prospect of defeat.

Well, I've always thrown my mafia partner to the wolves when things got rough. Trying to save them often just gets two mafia lynched. I'm just trying to steer us away from the path of "this person was guilty, hence this person is guilty." Lynching Beskar for acting like himself and then ATPG for supporting him is a waste of two more lynches and we don't have an unlimited supply.

[Reenk Roink]

How are they suspicious? All I've seen from you on this is the fact that ATPG voted for someone other than Beskar and Micheal Jackson lyrics. Honestly lynching Beskar because there are "no better choices" is unsatisfactory in itself, but wanting to lynch ATPG because he voted to save someone you want to lynch because you can't find anyone better? Strikes me as lazy at best and scummy at worst.

You haven't been looking too hard then. Atpg before saving Beskar this round twice went after GH for voting Beskar. One with some joke post I think, and the other with a vote without any reason. There's clearly a connection between the two. You're simply being reactive to someone trying to be proactive...

These have been pointed out before by me. You're falling into the same scheme of simply saying "Oh Reenk is just posting Michael Jackson lyrics" when that's clearly not true. Lazy at best, scummy at worst... Disagree with the case given. Don't try to pretend there isn't one.

Lastly, I've asked you for any suggestions on whom to lynch. Your vote against Beefy seems to contradict everything you've been saying here, so I'm not sure. Given your involvement in the game, the fact that you are simply OK with criticizing any attempt at Beskar and Atpg while not promoting any other alternative is odd...

[Beskar]

The answer is obvious, the best alternative is you. You acted scummy since round one.

I haven't got a clue why Pizza decided to want to save me, maybe it was because I purposely didn't change vote and thus, allowed him to continue in the game, and he felt being on the receiving end of a poor bandwagon, he decided to repay the favour. If that is the case, my thanks to Pizza, I will remember it. There hasn't been any out of thread communication between me and Pizza either, as I said before this statement, maybe he was just repaying the favour where I helped stop him getting needlessly lynched.

How is that scummy? All I have done is simply point out really weird actions, which I done in every single game, and because I decided to point out Reenk Roink's behaviour, RR just tries to bandwagon me with post-hoc information, where he tries to build an imaginary case up, all because I called him out on his behaviour.

Remember, RR's vote is because I called him out on being suspicious, and his whole active bandwagon is his paranoia because I called him out.

So you want the alternatives who to vote for?:

Reenk Roink
The Lurkers (Such as Ichigo and Kazaar, etc)

If the town wants to win, it needs to work together,, not boil down into spitting contests due to ignorance.


edit: Apologises about my earlier post this morning, I just got annoyed. Thanks to Sigurd for changing his vote from me, admittedly, if I was him, I would be tempted to keep it on. Sorry to Beefy182, I didn't see the case against you, and just to let you know, I wouldn't have put my vote on you if I didn't have to.