The Black Country [Concluded]

[A Very Super Market]

Revealing results after death? I'll have to think about it....

[Beskar]

Taka, what is more interesting in that in Mongolia, Tratorix said "I threw my mafia partner to the wolves".

Dum dee dum...

[Tratorix]

Well, the town's lost. Great job mafia.

Also, atheotes investigated me, ATPG and Beskar. All innocents, which means none of those people are henchmen.

[Beskar]

You know I love you really, Traitorix.

[atheotes]

Well, the town's lost. Great job mafia.

Also, atheotes investigated me, ATPG and Beskar. All innocents, which means none of those people are henchmen.

i wish AVSM will decide to allow me to speak about this

[Beefy187]

the town might have just lost this one... i was voted for lurking and that was my fault ... but after i explained John and DIY never came here to have a chance to change their votes. so it was easy for beefy and pever to get me lynched..

beefy is convinced that pever is innocent and he never responded to my query... it is very scummy
my choice for lynch was tratorix but had to vote pever to try to save myself... tratorix should be lynched next round though...

i am not sure if i can reveal results... the rules dont say anthing specific... i will wait for confirmation from AVSM.... anyways revealing during the night is counterproductive

Eh? Can someone remind me what the query was?

[atheotes]

So its follow ATPGs choice?

I have no problem with that. Its not like I suspect anyone at the moment..
Just a warning though. I think pever lynch is very very bad.. pever is not someone who would lurk when he gets a mafia role, I am almost 100 percent sure that pever is innocent.

Atheotes is a better choice here

Vote: Atheotes

ATPG's vote is on pever...

would you care to explain why you think i am a better choice?

[Beefy187]

ATPG originally voted for you presenting that you have posted else where but not here.

Since the only options were either Atheotes or pevergreen when I got on, knowing how pever plays, I didn't think he was guilty. I don't really know Atheotes yet so I thought you would be a better choice.

Like I said, the reasoning is not strong. Its more of a gut but I am pretty confident that pever is innocent.

[Beskar]

Those investigation results are really dodgy. I wouldn't trust them.

[A Very Super Market]

All PMs are quotable. That is all.

Also, if I didn't make them public-quotable, it would have been a lot of effort for nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm the real detective.

[pevergreen]

No, I am spartacus.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Smells to me like Beefy was guilty. He's not behaving his usual self, and he's had a very similar carefree style very consistently. And I'd really still consider pevergreen to be guilty as well.

[Beefy187]

Smells to me like Beefy was guilty. He's not behaving his usual self, and he's had a very similar carefree style very consistently. And I'd really still consider pevergreen to be guilty as well.

Aye. Good luck this time.

I won't poke you for getting it wrong in lift escape and various other games you got it wrong.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Aye. Good luck this time.

I won't poke you for getting it wrong in lift escape and various other games you got it wrong.

You mean like how you got it wrong about atheotes?

[Beefy187]

You mean like how you got it wrong about atheotes?

I didn't say Atheotes is definitely guilty. I only said pever is innocent and I would rather Atheotes lynched then pever.

If your talking about the lift escape... Yea I deserved that lynch

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't say Atheotes is definitely guilty. I only said pever is innocent and I would rather Atheotes lynched then pever.

How do you know pever is innocent, pray tell? Because we've already had three people claim detective-like powers. Since pever has done nothing in this game besides show up to save himself, he's a liability, period.

[Beefy187]

How do you know pever is innocent, pray tell? Because we've already had three people claim detective-like powers. Since pever has done nothing in this game besides show up to save himself, he's a liability, period.

Well I know you and Trats were not the detective, because the host clearly said Atheotes was. Trats admitted that the towns in the dark. Your claim sounded desperate.

pever is innocent. If you doubt that, lynch me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How did Tratorix detect Taka as a mafioso?

[Beefy187]

How did Tratorix detect Taka as a mafioso?

Atheotes leaking infomation to Tratorix for his safety.
Atheotes probably investigated Tratorix first night and cleared him.

That would be my guess.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You still haven't demonstrated why pevergreen is innocent, even though you insist he is.

[Beefy187]

You still haven't demonstrated why pevergreen is innocent, even though you insist he is.

Its nothing more then a gut.
I normally get who is guilty wrong, but I almost never get who is innocent wrong. pevers behavior has been nothing more then that of townies. Its a usual behavior to expect from him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let me combine your perspective with my own, for a moment. I hate to be only combative and not listen.

Assuming you're a townie, this is what I know:

Alive
pevergreen- innocent, according to Beefy
johnhughthom- voted for Captain Blackadder
Captain Blackadder- innocent by fact of total inactivity
Tratorix- innocent due to atheotes investigation
Beefy187- innocent, according to Beefy
AtPG- innocent due to the fact that I am.
Death is Yonder- voted for Captain Blackadder.


Bit it
White eyes :D
CDF
Yaropolk
Beskar
taka
Diana Abnoba
Iskander 3.1
atheotes

This means the most likely suspects are johnhughthom and Death is Yonder, if I were to believe you were a townie. Which makes sense because they were also responsible for the atheotes lynch after I suggested how silly it was to vote for Blackadder.

[Beefy187]

Let me combine your perspective with my own, for a moment. I hate to be only combative and not listen.

Assuming you're a townie, this is what I know:



This means the most likely suspects are johnhughthom and Death is Yonder, if I were to believe you were a townie. Which makes sense because they were also responsible for the atheotes lynch after I suggested how silly it was to vote for Blackadder.

Assuming that its a god father game, with 3 mafia, 1 god father and two grunt set up. And assuming that taka was one of them.

At this stage it is likely that the remaining two has a same opinion or strategy.
That means the following are likely to be mafia assuming that no other grunts or god father has died.

Team 1
beefy+ pever (taka)

Team 2
ATPG+ Tratorix (taka)

Team 3
DIY+ Johnhaughthom (taka)

Also assuming that Tratorix was cleared by Atheotes the detective revealed by the host, Team 2 is likely to be both townies.

We can lynch one each from team 1 and 3, if that fellow happens to be the mafia we can lynch the other fellow in the team.

I propose this strategy unless someone else has a better plan.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And so therefore you would recommend lynching one of Death is Yonder or johnhughthom, since you don't want option 2 (cleared as innocent by investigation) or option 1 (yourself and pever).

Since Trat was cleared by atheotes and they either guessed correctly or investigated me and cleared me, that means team 2 is innocent and therefore murder bait. Whoever remains from team 2 has to decide between team 1 and team 3 for the lynch, since it is likely the teams will vote together and tie it up.

It is a shame Blackadder isn't here, because we could use the extra vote for margin of error. The fact is, with 2 mafia remaining we do not have a chance to guess incorrectly this next round. That's all folks.

[Beefy187]

And so therefore you would recommend lynching one of Death is Yonder or johnhughthom, since you don't want option 2 (cleared as innocent by investigation) or option 1 (yourself and pever).

Since Trat was cleared by atheotes and they either guessed correctly or investigated me and cleared me, that means team 2 is innocent and therefore murder bait. Whoever remains from team 2 has to decide between team 1 and team 3 for the lynch, since it is likely the teams will vote together and tie it up.

It is a shame Blackadder isn't here, because we could use the extra vote for margin of error. The fact is, with 2 mafia remaining we do not have a chance to guess incorrectly this next round. That's all folks.

Correct. In fact I nominate my self for the first lynch

EDIT: Sorry I misread it. I'm fine with getting one from team 1 lynched. We still have 2 more rounds yes?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Correct. In fact I nominate my self for the first lynch

That is a suicidal strategy no matter which team you play for. If you're indeed a townie, that means you're intentionally allowing the mafia to win the game because that removes your vote and allows another murder.

I'm half tempted to actually listen to you and vote for you for suggesting that. That sounds like a gaffe, intended to be WIFOM but not thought through properly.

[Beefy187]

That is a suicidal strategy no matter which team you play for. If you're indeed a townie, that means you're intentionally allowing the mafia to win the game because that removes your vote and allows another murder.

I'm half tempted to actually listen to you and vote for you for suggesting that. That sounds like a gaffe, intended to be WIFOM but not thought through properly.

If I turn out innocent, then pever is innocent as I say.

we just lynch DIY and John as lynching one mafia will buy us a extra turn.
This plan will succeed. Unless in the event of WoG of pever being guilty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All right; it is just that if you turn out innocent it is too late to save anyone because we needed your vote. We don't have two rounds if two mafia remain; it is already 5 townies 2 mafia at best, and at least 1 townie dies tonight, giving us the dreaded 4-2. If we fail to lynch a mafia on the next turn, that is 3-2 going into night phase and the end game is 2-2 townies lose automatically.

That is why you have to be very careful what you suggest; that vote yourself first strategy can only be a gaffe or a bluff, because no matter what side you're on, you lose the game. You're a smart guy Beefy and I think you would make a mistaken suggestion like that out of nervousness due to the pressure of being scrutinized and having to come up with a townie-perspective solution to the endgame at the same time.

EVERYONE has to vote the same way next round, no matter what; because if the townies are divided, we automatically lose due to the number of votes. We need to decide which way to vote and all vote that way, pevergreen included. I hope he can be serious for the final round; as I said I haven't found his contributions helpful so far, merely distracting and harmful. I am still tempted to follow my own gut and go for the Beefy/pevergreen combo starting with pevergreen just on principle. As it appears I may be a swing vote next round, I HIGHLY advise the townies to put their thinking caps on, analyze the thread, and for the love of PETE, give a solid argument as to why I should vote your way.

Beefy and pever, you have your work cut out for you. I'd rather not lose this game as I tend to think of the mafia as being very on the ball and aware of more than what the townies are. THAT is perhaps the only reason why I am leaning towards john or DIY; because you and pever have made some serious errors, which is not something I think you both would do if you were mafia at this late stage of the game.

Townies need to tighten up on this last round, that's all I'm saying. Please forgive my criticism, but unless we pull it together, starting right now, we lose and it is our own fault.

[pevergreen]

Im blue. Da ba de da bu dai.