Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

You are a bad businessman, you messed up your order



That is now three apologises you owe. 2 to me and 1 to Reenk Roink.

1) For the false accusation.
2) For falsely voting for me.
3) Not getting Reenk Roink the order he asked for.

He owes me no apology. If YLC wishes to sell me his vote and vote for Sigurd than it is all up to him. It is his vote and he may want to use it anyway he wants. In fact, I'm just happy YLC is not going to sell to you and vote for White eyes which continues the rash of ridiculous lynches in my view.

[ULC]

Oh dear...so caught up was I in my previous dealings, that I forgot to change the delivery address

Unvote: Vote: Sigurd

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meh. Maybe I am just eager to lynch White_Eyes because of things like... Beskar is always lynch bait, so let's lynch him.... voting for Beefy, then voting for people who voted for Beefy because of course Beefy was innocent... Unexplained theories regarding who would have the cojones not to kill anyone. And so on.

unvote: White_Eyes
vote: Ichigo


You should be caught up now. Let's have you participate, please.

[DJGingivitis]

For previous reasons and the fact that Tin Cow seems intelligent enough to possible purposely not send in his orders to confuse everyone and to suggest we focus on the lurkers.

Vote: Tin Cow

[Chaotix]

For previous reasons and the fact that Tin Cow seems intelligent enough to possible purposely not send in his orders to confuse everyone and to suggest we focus on the lurkers.

Vote: Tin Cow

Sorry, does noone else seem intelligent enough to skip a kill and confuse people? And what exactly are the "previous reasons"?

These previous reasons may be valid; no matter. What you seem to be doing here is adding flawed logic to make your own vote seem more genuine and reasonable. You could have picked any other person who's shown a semblance of cleverness in this thread and replaced TinCow with him, and this vote would still have that "looks reasonable, glance over it" quality to it that it does now.

Unless your logic is really this twisted, then this is an engineered blend-in mafia vote. It just reeks of scum.

Unvote, Vote: DJGinjivtis

[A Very Super Market]

It sounds like you're insulted

[DJGingivitis]

Sorry, does noone else seem intelligent enough to skip a kill and confuse people? And what exactly are the "previous reasons"?

These previous reasons may be valid; no matter. What you seem to be doing here is adding flawed logic to make your own vote seem more genuine and reasonable. You could have picked any other person who's shown a semblance of cleverness in this thread and replaced TinCow with him, and this vote would still have that "looks reasonable, glance over it" quality to it that it does now.

Unless your logic is really this twisted, then this is an engineered blend-in mafia vote. It just reeks of scum.

Unvote, Vote: DJGinjivtis

But Tin Cow has been using this tactic throughout the whole game but no one has really notice/pointed it out because they are too busy with Beskar and RR and voting out people who aren't doing anything. Does no one else find this suspicious that he is drawing attention to them and then even still when the heat gets to hot on these people he then tries and gets people to focus on other people. He is constantly bringing up someone new that seems suspicious. Yet no one is thinking about him. Why does he just want to try and get votes for everyone? Maybe because he is trying to kill everyone. I am sorry if I insulted you by saying that was intelligent, it came out wrong, not only did it insult others but him as well. I meant to say that Tin Cow seems to have a knack for the games and that he knows what tactics will working when and when to use certain maneuvers to either draw or move attention to. He is the Sun Tzu of Mafia.

Also you spelled my name wrong.

[gibsonsg91921]

Chaotix, even I have gotten over YLC. It seems to be more of his style than scumminess.

Vote: Chaotix

Because YLC is the obvious cop-out vote.

[Death is yonder]

Tactics are just WIFOM... there is no 100% sure win strategy to a mafia game.

The point is moot if one is discussing who would be the ballsiest mafia to use the ballsiest strategy, much less who is capable of initiating a "tactic"

Its all really just WIFOM...

@Gibson, he changed it to DJGingivitis

[TinCow]

He is constantly bringing up someone new that seems suspicious. Yet no one is thinking about him. Why does he just want to try and get votes for everyone?

I think you'll find that the only people I've argued against in any manner have been YLC, Beskar, Reenk, and Sigurd. And Sigurd isn't someone new, I've been mentioning him for a couple days now. It seems you're exaggerating just a slight bit.

[DJGingivitis]

Yes you have been mentioning him but only until today has he become anything special. To my immediate knowledge he has not been getting a lot of votes, so my reasoning still holds. My reasoning is that you use someone to draw attention and then move onto the next person. So I am not exaggerating, Sigurd just is(was) the next person you planned on drawing attention to.

[Tratorix]

Yes you have been mentioning him but only until today has he become anything special. To my immediate knowledge he has not been getting a lot of votes, so my reasoning still holds. My reasoning is that you use someone to draw attention and then move onto the next person. So I am not exaggerating, Sigurd just is(was) the next person you planned on drawing attention to.

Sorry, that reasoning doesn't hold up. The only person TinCow has really drawn attention to is Sigurd. ATPG, Beskar and Reenk all drew attention to each other with their little feud. Your last few posts feel very scummy to me.

Vote: DJGingivtis

[DJGingivitis]

Sorry, that reasoning doesn't hold up. The only person TinCow has really drawn attention to is Sigurd. ATPG, Beskar and Reenk all drew attention to each other with their little feud. Your last few posts feel very scummy to me.

Vote: DJGingivtis

Not to sound like a dbag but have you looked at the past 5-8 pages? It has been Beskar and RR defending themselves with ATPG and Tin Cow also contributing to the accusations and such. Tin Cow has been going after a lot of people. He maybe not him calling them out specifically but he has contributed to the accusations against them. He is being the ultimate Devil's Advocate. He is just making it so that everyone is mafia except for himself. Why is it that no one wants to see his avoidance of attention but at the same time not avoiding it by lurking?

DJGingivtis- 2 (Tratorix, Chaotix)
Chaotix-1 (gibsong91921)
Tin Cow-1 (DJGingivtis)
Ichigo-1 (ATPG)
Sigurd-3 (YLC, Tin Cow, AVSM)
White_Eyes :D-2 (Jolt, Beskar)
Jolt-1 (White_Eyes :D)

[Askthepizzaguy]

DJGingivtis- 2 (Tratorix, Chaotix)
Chaotix-1 (gibsong91921)
Tin Cow-1 (DJGingivtis)
Ichigo-1 (ATPG)
Sigurd-3 (YLC, Tin Cow, AVSM)
White_Eyes :D-2 (Jolt, Beskar)
Jolt-1 (White_Eyes :D)

Where is the Reenkster in this tally?

[DJGingivitis]

DJGingivtis- 2 (Tratorix, Chaotix)
Chaotix-1 (gibsong91921)
Tin Cow-1 (DJGingivtis)
Ichigo-1 (ATPG)
Sigurd-4 (YLC, Tin Cow, AVSM, Reenk Roink)
White_Eyes :D-2 (Jolt, Beskar)
Jolt-1 (White_Eyes :D)

As you posted I was double checking and saw it. I scrolled over it due to it being in the middle of his post and his tally was not bold. Fixed now.

[Tratorix]

Not to sound like a dbag but have you looked at the past 5-8 pages? It has been Beskar and RR defending themselves with ATPG and Tin Cow also contributing to the accusations and such. Tin Cow has been going after a lot of people. He maybe not him calling them out specifically but he has contributed to the accusations against them. He is being the ultimate Devil's Advocate. He is just making it so that everyone is mafia except for himself. Why is it that no one wants to see his avoidance of attention but at the same time not avoiding it by lurking?

How is he avoiding attention? Should he be voting for himself, just to let us know he could be guilty? I'm confused as to how you believe TinCow going after people is a bad thing. It forces others to post as well and stimulates discussion. This is a good thing. Going after people who have been contributing more than you because they have been contributing is a bad thing.

[pevergreen]

As much as I adore the Reenkster, I don't believe Sigurd is the right choice here.

I do, believe that its time for a substitute.

Who is too dangerous to be left alive?

Vote: TinCow.

[Khazaar]

Yes, taking money for votes doesn´t seem to work. The whole concept of bribes seems to be unknown to the hordes.

Vote: ATPG because you still owe me a cookie...

[Death is yonder]

Could it be that YLC is a Chinese? After all... Zhang Qian was a Chinese envoy who was captured by nomadic tribes...

My previous night of good sleep would prove elusive once more. I was quite rudely awakened during the night multiple times by tribesmen who seemed to be milling about in the night. I ignored it for the time being, desperate for every wink of sleep that I could obtain. When the time came for me to be up and going, I felt groggy and irritated. What could have been going on that was so fascinating?! I stumbled out the tent, heading towards the council grounds once more. It seemed a rather large number of tribesmen were in attendance, perhaps every member of the camp. All I could see, including Shinzei, seemed exceedingly agitated. My irritation began to warp into dread. What could have happened that caused such emotion from the savages? I made my way to the side of Shinzei, and before the council could be started, I asked him how many had been killed during the night, assuming the number must be strikingly large. He replied that nobody had been found dead. I was stunned. I asked him what had happened that caused the entire camp to be so on edge. He gave me a curious look, as though I was an imbecile for not knowing. He informed me the heavens opened up that night with an ominous portent, a great fireball which scorched the heavens themselves. I now understood why the council was being held; such omens could not be ignored. The matter at hand was now more serious than ever, and it was important that we prevent the foretold disaster upon this camp.

-- The Record of Zhang Qian

Who just so happens to be present in every write up...

[DJGingivitis]

How is he avoiding attention? Should he be voting for himself, just to let us know he could be guilty? I'm confused as to how you believe TinCow going after people is a bad thing. It forces others to post as well and stimulates discussion. This is a good thing. Going after people who have been contributing more than you because they have been contributing is a bad thing.

He is avoiding attention by drawing attention to other people (hence the Sun Tzu reference, maybe you have not read Art of War) He is going after too many people. Every day it is someone new or multiple people over a couple days. Like I have stated several times and the main point of my argument against him, he is drawing too much attention then moving onto the next plausible mafioso. First it was YLC early in the round because it was suspicious of him selling his vote. Then it went to Beskar and RR because they were going at it for the past couple rounds but now that has died down. Now it seems that Sigurd is the new guy to go after because someone said . And guess who is at the head of the witch hunt? Tin Cow.

I am not saying that accusing people is wrong, but just accusing people and then turning to someone else as soon as new attention is stirring is quite odd. And I am not going after him because he has contributed more to this game. It is what he has contributed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay. If he turns out to be mafia when the game is over, you deserve due credit for spotting him early. In my opinion, however, he's been pointing out odd/scummy behavior, investigated it for a time, and after seeing the game unfold, he now has different theories as to who is scum. Or he simply has a short list of top suspects. I have a list of suspects too, and it includes most of the people in the game, except for the dead ones and me of course. My top suspects are only theoretically more suspicious than my regular suspects, and who they are changes often.

I don't see what TinCow is doing that's any different from my own methods. I don't follow your reasoning as to why it's wrong. But I can't prove my method is better than yours, so... vote away.

[TinCow]

Now it seems that Sigurd is the new guy to go after because someone said . And guess who is at the head of the witch hunt? Tin Cow.

Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. Voting for Sigurd is not jumping on anyone else's arguments; I've been on his case for a long time now. I first brought him up five days ago. I gave him a while to respond, and when he didn't I raised him again three days ago in two posts. Your assertions that Sigurd is "the new guy" are not remotely true.

[pevergreen]

Sigurd has had a history recently of heavy inactivity, you know this.

[TinCow]

Sigurd has had a history recently of heavy inactivity, you know this.

Sigurd has a history recently of pulling off mafioso wins by lurking and proclaiming RL inactivity. In any case, he's posted three times in this thread since my first question and he's never acknowledged it. In this post, he even took the time to check to see who had missed several rounds of voting, indicating he was looking at the thread in more than just superficial depth. He had to go back and reread to do that, yet he did not respond.

[Reenk Roink]

DJGingivitis. I wouldn't consider TinCow to be the someone said in this case anyway. White he has been gunning Sigurd since early times, he really has never done anything to put his money where his mouth was until a vote for Sigurd by me. I also have suspected Sigurd more and more as the game progressed until now.

pever, we can always get TinCow following the same reasoning we got Sigurd. In fact, should the heat on Beskar-Atpg (who still have some suspicious nature to their game - just that better targets have popped up while a blow has been dealt to Beskar's guilt) not be on next round, I will try and get Tratorix, DIY, or TinCow. The former two because I believe they are scummy, and the latter because I want to curry favor with another section of the town, plus he is annoying with his constant disagreement and nitpicking.

I think (I hope) Beskar-Atpg will be lynched before the endgame anyway.

[DJGingivitis]

Whatever I am not going to try and keep on explaining myself. I still think Tin Cow is mafia. Unless something concrete comes up he will have my vote. Continue to kill off others.

[White_eyes:D]

Unexplained theories regarding who would have the cojones not to kill anyone. And so on.

I think I was talking about those, who would have the Brass ones to repeatedly block one person from the start of the game. be proud, I think very highly of you and even Beskar

This missing one kill makes no sense....unless they are powering up for several kills??
Otherwise, it's not worth it in Mafia game terms to miss out of a kill

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think I was talking about those, who would have the Brass ones to repeatedly block one person from the start of the game. be proud, I think very highly of you and even Beskar

I consider it a compliment, for sure. Of course, you have voted for me this game so far, as well as my one and only soul mate and perfect pretty peachy pie, Beskar, so I'm not sure how far flattery will get you.

[Sigurd]

I think I will vote: TinCow
The answers to your questions are so obvious that I am thinking you are intentionally acting dumb. This is much the same as you did in Netherworld which worked then because you were indeed a new player.
I am however baffled that the Mafia aren't seeing these obvious things. If I was indeed a mafioso, someone would have died a long time ago.

Maybe DJG received some esoteric knowledge that he will not divulge in public, even though we all know that the trade is worth it.

[Beskar]

If I was indeed a mafioso, someone would have died a long time ago.

Out of curiosity, can I ask who?