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    Default Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tristuskhan View Post
    "Cornwall-based photographer Andy Craddock is the subject of legal action by the priest in charge for blasphemy"

    Odd countries where you can be charged for Blasphemy....
    Hah! I had just copy-pasted that exact same quote!

    No need for me to post anything anymore then. Except maybe to add some fuel to the fire: there is no such thing as blasphemy, because the state does not decide who or what is the proper god. Unless one lives in a theocracy. This charge of blasphemy belongs to Iran or Saudi Arabia, not in 21st century Europe.

    The photographer should not only get away with this, he should get commemorated for exposing the disgraceful arrogance of the state church, that still seeks to monopolize public morality by the use of state repression.



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    Default Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Hah! I had just copy-pasted that exact same quote!

    No need for me to post anything anymore then. Except maybe to add some fuel to the fire: there is no such thing as blasphemy, because the state does not decide who or what is the proper god. Unless one lives in a theocracy. This charge of blasphemy belongs to Iran or Saudi Arabia, not in 21st century Europe.

    The photographer should not only get away with this, he should get commemorated for exposing the disgraceful arrogance of the state church, that still seeks to monopolize public morality by the use of state repression.



    (Whether the photographer tresspassed, is another manner)
    Well, England is a monarchistic theocracy.

    More seriously though, the photographer should not get away with this. The lack of respect, and awareness, is nothing less than shocking. I am very sure he did not ask because he knew permission would be refused. He said he knew some people would be offended, but he went ahead anyway.

    So, either he meant to offend, or didn't care.

    This is a matter of mutual respect, not theology.
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    Did he technically do anything wrong though? As in anything he could be prosecuted for? I would like to think that people cannot do such things on people's graves.

    If it's just a matter of respect though, then nothing can be done. It's like sportsmanship in sport, you don't have to play by it, otherwise it just becomes rules.
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    What a non story.
    Why not do a story about them poor buggers down by Rock who had to climb the dunes to get in through the roof by abseiling down a rope to perform the religious ceremony just to make sure the buried church remained consecrated ground.
    Now if some "fetisist" wanted to walk down the beach or across the golf course to take some photos in that consecrated church yard then fair play to them , its quite a walk and the sand is soft.
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    Default Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    abseiling down a rope
    Interesting use of german but if I'm not mistaken the correct english word would be to rappel...oh snap, that's actually english, nvm.

    Not sure about the actual topic, of course the guy is being rude, but whether the government should punish him depends on whether he broke english law.


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    Default Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Did he technically do anything wrong though? As in anything he could be prosecuted for? I would like to think that people cannot do such things on people's graves.

    If it's just a matter of respect though, then nothing can be done. It's like sportsmanship in sport, you don't have to play by it, otherwise it just becomes rules.
    I suspect the desecration of Sacred Space comes under Blasphemy, so yes, he can be prosecuted. That would mean, however, that you could be prosecuted for bring raw meat within a churchyard.

    I'm not sure I want him to be prosecuted, but one wonders if he shouldn't be fined. The law on this is still biased towards the CofE, which it shouldn't be; on the other hand I believe what he did was principally wrong and should be punished in some way.
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    Question Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    What exactly is "erotic art" mentioned in the story? Is it art with sexual connotations, or is it a mere excuse for pornography? I do not see any advantage of making pornography in a church, so is it really that?

    So if it is art, albeit erotic, then what is the problem? Now, the graveyard incident was perhaps of greater practical offense, but still... Or is there a law against making photoshoots without permission? And how exactly does one make a photoshoot in a church without the permission of the priest?

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    Default Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    What exactly is "erotic art" mentioned in the story? Is it art with sexual connotations, or is it a mere excuse for pornography? I do not see any advantage of making pornography in a church, so is it really that?

    So if it is art, albeit erotic, then what is the problem? Now, the graveyard incident was perhaps of greater practical offense, but still... Or is there a law against making photoshoots without permission? And how exactly does one make a photoshoot in a church without the permission of the priest?
    Erotic art is porn with a soft focus lense, it is meant to arouse, note it says "fetishist and erotic art". Essentially, scantily clad women were cavorting around a church and graveyard.

    As to why the Church was open; some priests leave their churches open so that they can be used, as churches. To be more explicit, they are left open at risk so that people have somewhere to pray. Sometimes they are dessecrated or vandalised, but not that often. In this case the priest may now start locking his church during daylight hours, depriving people of that facility.

    This man abused the trust of the Priest and the Parish and used the Church for something he knew would offend. Churches are not public property, if they are open it is out of generosity.
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    Default Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    I have seen the pics now, one is of a woman facing away, in the Church, she is wearing a throng, and nothing else but a pair of boots, another is of a topless woman on a gravestone, another of a woman as a Catholic schoolgirl, the angle almost looks up her skirt and she is standing with her legs open over a cross (seems to be standing on a side alter.

    There are more, a woman in a rubber mask in front of the font, a topless woman is sitting in the pews, two women kissing in what is either the pulpuit or the chior stands, another woman with her legs on the alter rail in a sheer top and short palid skirt.

    Shall I go on?

    Edit: I will go on, there is a man pretending to be dead on the High Alter, with a woman draped over him.
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    Default Re: Here I was thinking desecrating sacred space was a Medieval Thing!

    Essentially, scantily clad women were cavorting around a church and graveyard.
    So it wasn't a case of scantily clad women being painted on the ceiling then
    Damn thats been donealready a thousand times, it isn't art its mimicry.

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