Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

I am willing to bet town is boned...

If I were a betting man...I would say you and Beskar are Mafia and it's all a play to buy more time

But I well keep in mind, what you said about the "guilty party"

I don't trust you ATPG...because you won't vote for me, basically telling me you are trying to keep around lynch bait... (over paranoid?? maybe..but I know you and Beskar would go to any lengths to fool town..and you just may do it)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't trust you either, White_Eyes. But it just seems wayyy too obvious to me. You went to all those lengths to discredit me, and you were basically the only one to do so. And you've been after me all game. So... it's not a very sophisticated way of getting me killed.

I don't know, I was just expecting more out of you if you were mafia. I didn't peg you for going the frame me strategy. Maybe I just don't want to believe it. And frankly, if this was your plan, it still takes guts to stick to it while it's blowing up in your face.

To me, I'd rather go after someone who's avoiding attention rather than embracing it. No lurker victories.

[DJGingivitis]

Vote: Beskar
For too long has he stayed alive. He is the devil. He is 666.

[White_eyes:D]

I guess the Reason ultimate reason, I don't trust you....is why defend Beskar if you know all that??

You know town is running out of time....and your not this trusting as a townie

you would have had Beskar and his partner lynched....Cauis is not even close to one of the suspects you mentioned...

[gibsonsg91921]

Unvote, Vote: Beskar

I believe ATPG. For now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@WE

Way back when, I put forward the benefit of the doubt thing. Someone approaches me and tells me they are such and such, please save my butt. I go, "okay, but..."

Tick tock. Tick tock. There's only so much leeway I am willing to give someone. I helped him stay alive long enough to point the finger at someone. That's as far as I'm willing to go; now the game is half over, and I'm not willing to be anyone's pawn anymore. I'm willing to be lynched for my part in this, but as I said, I'm not going down without the truth being known.

There was something to be gained by the secrecy, there was a chance I was doing something right to spare our detective. But there's an equal chance this is all a scam. So, town needs to be informed and needs to decide what's the best move. It's not my choice anymore.

edit: as for Sigurd, he came wayyy too close to being lynched and no one really flinched.


edit2: Oh man, nice coincidence with the post number.

[DJGingivitis]

YOU ARE THE DEVIL TOO! also caps lock means I automatically win at the internet.

[gibsonsg91921]

Or as my friend said, caps lock is the cruise control of cool.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's two options here: he's lying or he's telling the truth.

It's still too early for 2 votes to make that much of a difference, especially when he's a known quantity. We can just tell him to abstain. If he's really the detective, they have to kill him. Or else we lynch him on the last round, and by then, he's found the other one. So if he's lying, he's exposed. If he's telling the truth, he's dead.

I wouldn't recommend him for this round's lynch. The mafia seem to want to play the frame game and leave him alive, thinking we're too paranoid and weak and we'll just lynch him. Fine, we will... but not for a round or so. Do they dare allow themselves to be investigated? If he hasn't found them by then, tough dooky, he dies. Unlucky us.

Just putting it out there as an option. How brave are we?

[White_eyes:D]

Ok....check this out..you may have just convinced me ATPG

Sigurd made only 16 posts and out of them...most of them deal with Beskar

Beskar is correct that A Very Super Market's vote should be either on Khazaar or Caius as he has not unvoted in any of his changes. Seireikhaan has not put it in his rules that an unvote is needed to...

He agrees with Beskar??

It's getting close to the end of this round and I will grant the wish of the dead man.

unvote: Reenk Roink, vote: Beskar

Tally:

Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)

Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

I am willing to admit it takes some real stones to try and pretend to put the final vote on your scum buddy....

That is dirty cheap shot, Sigurd.

unvote; vote: Beefy182

A bandwagon based around around an OMGUS vote and pasted song lyrics is the most retarded thing in existence.

But if they were Mafia partners...it's quite a show, huh?

Atheotes accused you of his murder. I think we should at least grant him this.

but then....

No need to give up until the fat lady sings.

unvote: Beskar, vote: YLC

Is that a role he has or is it just act?

but he didn't put the final vote on Beefy...and it seems he was only trying to put some distance bewteen him and Beskar...

I feel that Beskar is not the right choice this round. There will be ample time to lynch him later should we go for that option.

vote: Split

Tally
spL1tp3r50naL1ty : 4 (Chaotix, AVSM, ATPG, Sigurd)

Beskar : 3 (Reenk Roink, pevergreen, YLC)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Beskar, Tratorix)
Askthepizzaguy : 2 (White_eyes:D, gibsonsg91921)
Khazaar : 1 (spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
Tin Cow : 1 (DJGingivitis)

Saved Beskar again, huh? Shocking

I am going to Unvote:Whiteeyes:D Vote:Beskar after looking over Sigurd's posts..I can only see that he was looking out for Beskar....and almost all of them were relating to him...ATPG you need to back me up with this..

[Beskar]

There is an amusing fact about all this. AskthePizzaGuy comes out with this now, when there is a chance of him being killed. I defended PizzaGuy suspecting him of being a townie, then just to save his own skin, he is suggesting for me to die. He set everything up in advance for him to pull out this manoeuvre in order for him to stay alive. It's obvious he must have set this whole thing up to do now, and for him to get away with it.

Maybe I was incorrect and you was right, White_Eyes:D, I just didn't believe it as I thought he was innocent. I'll unvote you, I thought you just framed PizzaGuy up with your comments, I apologise for my ignorance.

Unvote: White_Eyes:D

I'll like to note, the reason Ichigo was investigated twice was because PizzaGuy and Sigurd both knew about the first one when no kills occurred. PizzaGuy was very adamant not for him to be investigated again, when he was, he was found guilty. Just a note.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you just accuse me of being scum after I tossed myself in front of a bus for you Beskar?

Wrong.

unvote, vote: Beskar

[Beskar]

Well, let's be honest, shall we?

I was going to disclose, then you said "I offer to do it in your stead, so you can at least get another investigation", thinking that was properly the best plan of action, I agreed. However, after you disclosed my result, you wrote a bunch of stuff saying for me to get lynched.

Now, you survived the night phase (probably because you are mafia, so wouldn't get killed), and you conventiently left a message there, you tell people this message, then attempt to get me killed the round you survived.

Maybe the fact is, you are actually the Mafia? You disclosed, knowing you would not be lynched that round, then you put your plan in motion, to get me lynched.

Vote: AskthePizzaGuy

I was there thinking you was innocent, defending you, when you were purposely trying to plant knifes in my back, to bump me off for your own survival.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You investigated me, or so you say. You think I'd be running around NOT killing people in this game?

Either you're a bad townie or scum. Accusing me after I just got through wasting my breath arguing you should stay alive another round, after I spent all game making MYSELF look scummy for YOU.

Not a good plan.

[White_eyes:D]

No matter how you look at it.....Beskar and Sigurd are too close, to make me think that they are anything but scum buddies...

Just so everyone knows....check ATPG's post #6 at the start..

Rather then looking into Sigurd's lynch...I looked into Sigurd's posts and noticed he ONLY really posted when Beskar was in danger.... Anyone can check his posts and come to the same conclusion...I would never have noticed, had ATPG not voiced his suspicions of Sigurd and Beskar


Edit:I mean post #6 of this game....

[Beskar]

White_Eyes:D, for a guy who thought me and AskthePizzaGuy was had some communication a round or two ago, making conclusions isn't your forté.

Sigurd as far as I am aware, if not Mafia. I don't know either way if he is or not.

As for bad townie or scum, for whatever reasons why only 1 kill occured is up to SenseiKhaan/Mafia and nothing to do with me. i can't answer something I don't know. Also, you never made yourself look scummy for me, I told you to quit it out, because you was making me intentionally look scummy for no reason at all. It is clear you was trying to discredit me and get me bumped off. I mean, during the whole Beskar-ATPG argument, their main reason to lynch me was because of that, and you intentionally enflamed the situation. It is obvious you are being a snake.

You obviously planned for me to get lynched for revenge and to try to save your own skin.


Also, don't start with the arguments saying you acting scummy is just a play, look at any Mafia game, even the one I hosted, you were a serial killer and acted really scummy, only reason you got stopped was because Death Is Yonder saw through your plan and lynched you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar,

1. I have zero motivation for not killing anyone in the early rounds. I'm always active and I LOVE killing players. It makes me giddy.

2. You told me I wasn't killing anyone that night. You're correct, I'm just a townie. Your investigation, not mine.

3. You told me you were investigating Ichigo. I was fine with that. I would have just kept on killin' if I were mafia.

4. You told me you were investigating him again. While I was suspect of Sigurd, I was also fine with that. I would have told Ichigo to avoid killing again. I would have KILLED YOU.

5. I very, very obviously saved your life several times, each time making myself look scum of the universe.

6. I revealed for you, sealing my death this game.

7. I only told AVSM what was going on, and you said you had investigated him.

8. I didn't die. You didn't die. 2 kills. No indication Ichigo was guilty.

9. I argued for more time for you, even though you do, eventually, have to be lynched.

10. You accuse me of being scum. It makes zero sense. You had better rethink your position if you're a townie. I am hoping you're just upset at me, because it is not a wise townie move.

[Beskar]

1. I have zero motivation for not killing anyone in the early rounds. I'm always active and I LOVE killing players. It makes me giddy.

Unless there was some reason you actually couldn't. The one kill thing lasted some time. I would have killed as well! but that doesn't change from the fact I haven't got a clue why there weren't more killed.

2. You told me I wasn't killing anyone that night. You're correct, I'm just a townie. Your investigation, not mine.

THAT night, I never thought of checking you since, maybe I should have.

3. You told me you were investigating Ichigo. I was fine with that. I would have just kept on killin' if I were mafia.

Unless there was some reason why you couldn't. It is pure WIFOM.

4. You told me you were investigating him again. While I was suspect of Sigurd, I was also fine with that. I would have told Ichigo to avoid killing again. I would have KILLED YOU.

So I am guessing this is where you bundle Sigurd with being my Mafia partner, even though I told you I found some of his behaviour scummy with a convincing argument that could be used.

5. I very, very obviously saved your life several times, each time making myself look scum of the universe.

In English: I saved your life by not killing you or telling my Mafia not too several times.
As for making yourself look scummy was up to you, I never told you to do anything of the sort. It was properly your plan to dirty my own name, when I get killed and possibly revealed I was actually innocent, everyone would think you was innocent as well, perfect situation for you. Since your brilliant defence was "Please don't kill Beskar.

6. I revealed for you, sealing my death this game.

Funny thing about that, you are not dead, are you?

7. I only told AVSM what was going on, and you said you had investigated him.

So White_Eyes:D, DJG, and all these others were given PM's by a mysterious stranger not saying for me to be lynched?

8. I didn't die. You didn't die. 2 kills. No indication Ichigo was guilty.

White_Eyes:D was convinced the kills will be the same, I thought it was scummy of him to say that and thought he was the Mafia. Or, he could have just been right on the mark.

9. I argued for more time for you, even though you do, eventually, have to be lynched.

Yeah, you argued for it after you told everyone to lynch me.

10. You accuse me of being scum. It makes zero sense. You had better rethink your position if you're a townie. I am hoping you're just upset at me, because it is not a wise townie move.

It makes perfect sense you are scum. Because you intentionally framed me to make me look bad.

[White_eyes:D]

I still think I hit GOLD, with the Sigurd-Beskar theory

You guys had me fooled for quite a while...

Like I said....if, Sigurd had not lurked and only posted to save you or say something about you....I never would have seen any connection

Edit:

So I am guessing this is where you bundle Sigurd with being my Mafia partner, even though I told you I found some of his behaviour scummy with a convincing argument that could be used.

Then why didn't you? why was I always the target??
Why wouldn't I have been investigated by now?

[DJGingivitis]

GRR ALRIGHT ALREADY! IM MAFIA!

Also, gullible is written on the ceiling. http://xkcd.com/542/ proof.

[Beskar]

or it could have been he knew I was innocent? and you obviously are getting fooled by PizzaGuy, yet again?

You was so convinced with your ATPG-Beskar theory earlier, what changed? Oh, the fact he pulled a very scummy and obvious Mafia manoeuvre against me, and you fall into his trap, yet again.

Also, really funny, I said to PizzaGuy earlier that we have to be very careful with lynches, and to deduct and get through everyone quickly.

However, I will say something, Ichigo was the other Mafia, that was a positive result. So your whole Beskar/Sigurd theory is blown into the water, unless you are accusing it being me-Ichigo as partners. That is how wrong your theory is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're suggesting Ichigo and I were mafia.

So I wouldn't have warned him not to kill, again. It doesn't add up. I'd toss him to the town as bait, and then miraculously survive the whole game, in spite of people thinking I was scummy and the kills being 2.

[White_eyes:D]

Don't worry... If ATPG has fooled me then he is going to be lynched by the end of the game....but I sort of get it..if he was protecting, what he thought was a Pro-town.. then it clicks into place

Any townie would do the same...Plus, you were going to get voted out by Reenk and GH...so you killed them (I recall for the longest time GH wanted you lynched and Reenk just about succeeded, had it not been for Sigurd)

[Beskar]

I would have killed you, White_Eyes:D, on the first turn.

[White_eyes:D]

Too late for regrets, I am afraid

[Askthepizzaguy]

The sad part is, I'm not even convinced you're scum, Beskar. But I can't reason with you when you're suggesting this was all my conspiracy against you when you have the facts which would evidently disprove that yourself.

[DJGingivitis]

GRR ALRIGHT ALREADY! IM MAFIA!

Also, gullible is written on the ceiling. http://xkcd.com/542/ proof.

Why doesn't anyone want to kill me? Also Unvote

Let's save Beskar for later.

[Beskar]

The sad part is, I'm not even convinced you're scum, Beskar. But I can't reason with you when you're suggesting this was all my conspiracy against you when you have the facts which would evidently disprove that yourself.

Thanks for getting me lynched though even though you aren't convinced I am scum. I will remember it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Tratorix

It's just a game Beskar. I'm not feeling guilty in the slightest. Ease back on the melodrama.

[Jolt]

White Eyes should die btw.