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    Default EB Online Tournement August Rules Discussion

    New Stuff:


    IRC:
    Since we can't effectively use hamachi to chat, I've opened an IRC chat room.

    1) Download here: http://www.hydrairc.com/index.php?page=downloads
    2) Open up HydraIRC
    3) Click File->New Server
    4) Join irc.chatspike.net(create a network and then add this server if you don't want to type things in over and over again).
    5) /Join #EB.
    6) You may want to use /nickserv register to reserve your nick.
    7) Use /nickserv identify to login to your nick.

    Read instructions here: http://www.hydrairc.com/wiki/wakka.php?wakka=HomePage

    And we are good.

    Definitions:
    -INFANTRY are infantry units without skirmish.
    -LIGHT units are any infantry with skirmish, any fast infantry that is not 'well armored,' or cavalry with skirmish that is not 'well armored'. Does not include chariots. Casse Chariots are Medium Cav, Scythed Chariots are Heavy Cav.
    -MEDIUM CAV are any cavalry that is atleast 'fast,' cost less than 3050 mnai, and less than 5 lance attack if it has a lance. If the thing doesn't have a lance, its medium. :-p This includes cav that can go into 'Light' class[/U]. Can have missiles.
    -HEAVY CAV is any cavalry not MEDIUM CAV. Can have missiles.
    -FACTIONAL UNITS are those units that are listed under you faction' description on the EB website.
    -MERCENARY/ALLIED units are those units that you have access to in multiplayer roster that are not on the website.
    -A PHALANX is a unit which has a phalanx mode option, not hoplites or other untis described as a 'phalanx.'
    -A PHALANX BOX is a formation of phalanxes where the phalanxes are put into a rectangle or some other enclosed shape. More than 75% of the
    -A RUN THROUGH is where you order your units to run through an enemy formation with the result of your units being forced through the enemy formation without killing their way through.
    -ELEPHANTS are counted as Heavy Cavalry, no exceptions.

    Army Compositions:

    Chevron Rules: Single chevron is allowed per unit.

    Western Mediterranian/Continental and N. European Factions:
    -Rome, Arche Seleukia, KH, Maks, Ptoly, Carthago, Luso, Gauls, Casse, Sweboz, Getai
    4 Medium or Heavy Cavalry MAX with up to 2 Heavy Cavalry MAX.
    4 MIN and 6 MAX Lights
    12 MAX Infantry, 8 Phalanx MAX
    6 Mercenary/Allied MAX

    Exceptions:
    Romans using Polybian/Camillian must leave 3K unspent(So you can't run around with all elite armies).
    Luso, Gauls, Casse, Sweboz,Getai have a max of 8 Light options instead of 6 incase they elect to counter missile spam with missile spam.

    Asian Factions
    -Hayasdan, Pontus, Baktria
    5 Medium or Heavy Cavalry MAX with up to 2 Heavy Cavalry MAX.
    5 MIN and 8 MAX Light
    10 MAX Infantry, 6 Phalanx MAX
    6 Mercenary/Allied MAX

    Steppe Factions
    -Saka, Parthia, Sauramatae
    6 Medium or Heavy Cavalry MAX with up to 3 Heavy Cavalry MAX.
    8 Infantry MAX, 6 Phalanx MAX.
    6 MIN and 12 MAX Light
    6 Mercenary/Allied MAX

    Other Limits
    2 Elephants Max
    2 Naked units Max

    Faction Specific Rules:
    -Romans are LIMITED to the factional units from one era. Pick one and stick with it. However, you may use Samnite Spearmen in Polybian and Velites in Marian. Italian Units(Samnites, Pedites, Italian Elite Cavalry, Campanian Cavalry, Ligurians, Bruttians, and Lucianians should not be used after Polybian)

    -Mercy Rule for Saba: It has no army composition limit, just upgrade limits. They aren't going to do well so I respect whoever has the balls to play this faction.

    Fair Play Rules:
    -DO NOT MOVE YOUR CAVALRY THROUGH PHALANXES WITH PHALANX MODE ON, yours or the enemys.
    -You can charge/run/elephant/chariot through infantry in the 'Light' category if they are in loose since you would be able to run around infantry who are that loose. Yours or the enemy. You can run through slingers in default formation(its very loose to begin with).
    -You can run through cavalry since infantry suck at running behind them and surrounding them.
    -You cannot turn phalanx on a unit that is already fighting without phalanx mode on. Turn it on before attacking.

    THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE FOLLOWING 3 RULES ARE POSTED ABOVE
    -NO RUN THROUGHS. The exceptions are when you are withdrawing your cavalry when they are surrounded and when the unit is in loose(which screws up the engagement AI) or the unit is slingers.
    -NO CHARGING THROUGH YOUR OWN MEN WITH CAVALRY. You can charge them together or you can charge infantry after. The exception to this rule is if its reasonably accidental in the heat of battle or minor or through loose light units or you run through slingers.
    -DO NOT MOVE ELEPHANTS OR CHARIOTS THROUGH YOUR OWN MEN. They would be killed in real life so since this isn't in RTW, you cannot do this except with loose light or slingers.


    -NO STACKING YOUR UNITS ONTOP OF EACH OTHER EXCEPT WHEN ATTACKING, only up to 25% of a unit may be covered by other units. You can have attacking units overlapping to sim reenforce/crush of a major charge/break guard mode units. ARCHERS OR SLINGERS FIRING DO NOT COUNT AS 'ATTACKING' UNITS. ATTACKING UNITS MUST BE A UNIT NOT IN GUARD MODE ATTACKING IN MELEE. The exception to the exception is that NO PHALANX UNIT MAY OVERLAP ANOTHER PHALANX UNIT MORE THAN 25% EVEN IF THEY ARE ATTACKING.
    -When choosing elephants/chariots, ANNOUNCE THAT YOU HAVE ELEPHANTS/CHARIOTS!!!
    -If you are Rome, please say what reform you are.
    Modified old rules:

    General Rules:
    1) EB 1.2 will be used, with all fixes installed(even though you should still be able to play without fixes).

    2) Hamachi shall be used to play the battles.
    Network Names:
    EBOT_0
    EBOT_1
    EBOT_2
    EBOT_3
    EBOT_4
    EBOT_5
    EBOT_6
    EBOT_7
    EBOT_8
    EBOT_9
    EBOT_10

    Passwords are all EB.

    Small guide for online play by Tolg which was made for the previous tournament:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Extensive Multiplayer Guide (by Tolg):

    This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.

    Make sure that you have a clean install of:
    RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
    EB 1.1
    EB 1.2
    The EB 1.2 Fixes
    (Installed in this order)
    Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet
    Download Hamachi
    Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
    a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
    b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
    Now it gets tricky:
    Cut your main internet connection.
    Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
    Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
    Reenable your Internet connection
    return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
    Don't forget to save the replay once you're done!


    3) Main Rules:

    Budget Mnai:
    36K
    +5K per elephant for person using elephant.

    Team Rules
    -Teams must be of the same size. Winners get 1 point each, losers lose 1 point each.

    Victory Conditions
    -If your opponent has no cavalry and makes a phalangite box and you can surround it with your men. You win.
    -If your opponent has only cavalry, you outnumber them more than 2:1, and you're just chasing him around the map, if after 5 minutes your opponent does not attack, you win.

    Draw Rules
    -If the map is the side of a Mountain, a Bridge, has closely spaced Buildings then you are allowed to leave the game during deployment phase without penalty.
    -If one player crashes during the game and it has not been decisively decided(submit to jury), then there is no penalty.
    -If or you opponent allows you to, you can restart the game with no penalty.

    Jury: Replays will be posted so save your tournament battles! After which we collectively in the official battle report thread to decide whether it was a legit win. Practice/test battles should be posted here.
    Unit Lists
    Ignore the -Es and -Hs, we aren't using them anymore. The -H designation is a good rule of thumb for what is heavy cav but use the new guidelines of >3 attack, primary lance, well armored.

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    Notable Elite Mercenary List: - This is not meant to be definitive. You should first check other's faction's lists to find if a certain mercenary is a factional for someone else and elite.
    -Thracian Rhomph Assault Infantry
    -Any Naked Fanatics
    -Cretan Archers
    -Baleric Slingers
    -Rhodian Slingers
    -Gallic/Belgae/Galatian Heavy Cavalry -H
    -Any Noble Horse Archers

    Rome - Your factional troops ARE RESTRICTED to these. Don't use factions from other eras. You don't have to announce your choice. Just stick to the one you pick.
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    Camillan Factionals
    Camillian Hastati
    Camillian Principles
    Camillian Triarii -E
    Camillian Equites
    Leves
    Accensi
    Rorarii
    Pedites Extraordinarii -E
    Samnite Hastati
    Equites Extraordinarii -E -H
    Consular Bodyguards -E -H

    Polybian Factionals
    Polybian Hastati
    Polybian Principles
    Polybian Triarii -E
    Polybian Equites
    Velites
    Pedites Extraordinarii -E
    Samnite Hastati
    Equites Extraordinarii -E -H
    Consular Bodyguards -E -H

    Marian
    Velites
    Antesignani - E
    Cohors Reformata
    1st Cohors Reformata - E
    Cohors Evocata
    The 4 Auxillary Cavalry types
    Consular Bodyguards -E -H

    Imperial
    Vigiles
    Antesignani - E
    Cohors Praetoriana -E
    Cohors Imperitoria
    1st Cohors Imperitoria - E
    Cohors Evocata
    Ala Imperitoria
    Eqvites Praetoriani - E
    Equites Singulares -E -H
    Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm
    Cohors Sagittariorvm Levantinorvm -E

    Italian Units - Don't use these after Polybian
    Equites Extraordinarii -E -H
    Samnite Hastati
    Ligurian Infantry
    Ligurian Cavalry
    Campanian Cavalry - E
    Bruttian Infantry
    Lucianian Light Infantry
    Pedites Extraordinarii


    Aedui/Arvernii
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    Lugoae
    Gaeroas
    Gaelaiche
    Botroas
    Iaosatae
    Sotaroas
    Bagaudas
    Bataroas
    Uirodusios -E
    Teceitos
    Gaesatae -E
    Solduros -E
    Golberi Curoas
    Enoci Curoas
    Neitos
    Carnute Cingetos -E
    Arjos -E
    Leuce Epos
    Brihentin -E -H
    Curepos
    Noricene Gaecori
    Batacorii
    Milnaht
    Taramannos
    Remi Mairepos -E -H
    Mori Gaesum -E
    Gaizoz Alje


    Arche Seleukia - Hellenic Cataphracts... They are expensive but they suck against horses and bad morale so they are professional IMHO(debate)
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    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Gund-i Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Shuban-i Fradakhshana (Eastern Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)
    Nizagan-i Eranshahr (Persian Archer-Spearmen)
    Iudaioi Taxeis (Jewish Spearmen)
    Katpatuka Zanteush (Cappadoccian Hillmen)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Misthophoroi Uazali (Mercenary Karian Warband)
    Toxotai Syriakoi (Syrian Archers)
    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
    Pezhetairoi
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Tabargane Eranshahr (Eastern Axemen)
    Asabaran-i Hauravatish (Arachosian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Asabaran-i Madaen (Median Medium Cavalry)
    Khuveshavagan (Persian Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Asiatikoi Hippakontistai (Eastern Light Cavalry)
    Asiatikoi Hippeis (Medium Eastern Cavalry)
    Galatikoi Lavotuxri (Galatian Heavy Cavalry) -H -E
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi (Hellenic Cataphracts) -H -E
    Argyraspides (Hellenic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Hypaspistai -E
    Peltastai Makedonikoi (Hellenistic Elite Infantry) -E
    Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou (Hellenic Elite Spearmen) -E
    Hetairoi (Companion Cavalry) -E -H
    Elephantes Indikoi (Indian Elephants) -E
    Elephantes Kataphraktoi Indikoi -E -H


    Baktria
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    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Gund-i Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Shuban-i Fradakhshana (Eastern Slingers)
    Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)
    Nizagan-i Eranshahr (Persian Archer-Spearmen)
    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Kofyaren-i Kavakaza (Baktrian Light Infantry)
    Tabargane Eranshahr (Eastern Axemen)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Pezhetairoi
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Baktrioi Hippeis (Baktrian Medium Cavalry) -H
    Baktrioi Hippotoxotai (Baktrian Horse-Archers)
    Baktrion Agema (Baktrian Royal Guard) -E
    Peltastai Makedonikoi (Hellenistic Elite Infantry) -E
    Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi (Hellenic Cataphracts) -H
    Somatophylakes Strategou (Baktrian Early Bodyguard) -H -E
    Hetairoi Kataphraktoi -H -E
    Elephantes Indikoi (Indian Elephants)-H
    Elephantes Kataphraktoi Indikoi (Armoured Indian Elephants) -H -E
    Hindus Pattisainya (Indian Spearmen)
    Hindus Patiyodha (Indian Longbowmen)
    Sreni Pattya Yoddaha (Infantry Guild Warriors) -E
    Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriya (Indo-Iranian Light Cavalry) -E
    Taxilan Agema (Indo-Iranian Heavy cavalry) -E -H
    Peltastai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Greek Peltasts)
    Hoplitai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Hellenic Medium Infantry)
    Indohellenikoi Eugeneis Hoplitai (Indo-Greek Noble Hoplites) -E
    Asab�r�n-� Haur�vat�sh (Arachosian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Daha Baexdzhyntae (Dahae Riders)


    Hayasdan Courtesy of Vartan
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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan
    Hayasdan Faction Troops

    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Gund-i Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Shuban-i Fradakhshana (Eastern Slingers)
    Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)
    Kavakaza Sparabara (Caucasian Spearmen)
    Hai Nizagamartik (Armenian Spearmen)
    Kovkasi Lernain Netadzik (Caucasian Archers)
    Nizakahar Ayrudzi (Armenian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Ayrudzi Netadzik (Armenian Horse-Archers)
    Aspet Hetselazor (Armenian Medium Cavalry)
    Srakir Martikner (Armenian Medium Infantry)
    Zrahakir Netadzik (Armenian Armoured Horse-Archers) -E
    Nakhararakan Tiknapah (Armenian Noble Infantry) -E
    Nakhararakan Aspet (Armenian Noble Cataphracts) -E -H
    Khuveshavagan Shavar (Armenian Early Bodyguards) -E -H
    Hye Sparapet (Armenian Late Bodyguards) -E -H
    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Skuda Fistaeg Fat Aexsdzhytae (Scythian Foot Archers)
    Doryphoroi Pontikoi (Pontic Light Spearmen)
    Kardaka Arteshtar (Persian Hoplites)
    Bydirag Baexdzhyntae (Steppe Riders)
    Kartvelebi Dashna-Mebrdzolebi (Georgian Swordsmen)
    Skuda Fat Aexsdzhytae (Scythian Horse-Archers)
    Toxotai Syriakoi (Syrian Archers) -E
    Khuveshavagan (Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry) -E -H

    Khuveshavagan (Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry) is not on website but I assure you they are factional (the team must have forgotten to place unit on the site).

    Are Syrian Archers elite? If so, do not forget to place an -E next to the unit and reply back please so I know.

    Anyone playing Hayasdan should know that any other unit in MP Edu not on this list is a mercenary. They should also note that the Median cavalry that is factional according to the website is actually not even on the MP Edu (i.e. nonexistant in multiplayer games); this makes Median cavalry no issue at all.

    Thanks a bunch.

    Your pal,
    Vartan
    I'm going to approve the Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry since Hay gets that Persian Empire reform.



    Pontos Factional Troops by Tsidneku
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    Harmata Drepanephora (Scythed Chariots) -H
    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Hoplitai Haploi
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Gund-� Palt� (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Sh�b�n-� Frad�khsh�n� (Eastern Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Thanvar� Pay�hdag (Persian Archers)
    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Hoplitai
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Misthophoroi Uazali (Mercenary Karian Warband)
    Galatikoi Kluddolon (Galatian Shortswordsmen)
    Galatikoi Lavotuxri (Galatian Heavy Cavalry) –E-H
    Galatikoi Kuarothoroi (Galatian Heavy Spearmen)
    Galatikoi Tindanotae (Galatian "Wild Men" Infantry) -E
    Anatolikoi Phyletai (Anatolian Hillmen)
    Katpatuka Zanteush (Cappadoccian Hillmen)
    Katpatuka Asabara (Cappadocian Medium Cavalry)
    Nizakahar Ayrudzi (Armenian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Skuda Fistaeg Fat Aexsdzhytae (Scythian Foot Archers)
    Skudra Tabari (Scythian Axemen)
    Doryphoroi Pontikoi (Pontic Light Spearmen)
    Thureopherontes Toxotai (Bosphoran Heavy Archers) -E
    Bydirag Baexdzhyntae (Steppe Riders)
    Skuda Uaezdaettae (Scythian Noble Cavalry)-E -H
    Pontikoi Thorakitai (Pontic Elite Infantry)
    Chalkaspidai (Pontic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Kh�vesh�vag�n� Sh�hv�r (Pontic Early Bodyguards) –E-H
    Pontikoi Strategoi (Pontos Late Bodyguard) – E -H


    Carthage
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    Poeni Citizen Militia - Mishteret Izrahim Feenikim
    Carthaginian Citizen Cavalry - Ezrahim Parashim Feenikim
    Libyan Spearmen (early) - Aanatim Leebim
    Libyan Heavy Spearmen (late) - Aanatim Leebim
    Liby-Phoenician Infantry (early) - Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Mookdamim
    Liby-Phoenician Heavy Infantry (late) - Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Meshoorianim
    Dorkim Leebi-Feenikim Aloophim (Elite Liby-Phoenician Infantry) -E
    Parasim Lebiponnim (Liby-Phoenician Cavalry) -E -H
    Elite African Infantry - Dorkim Afrikanim Aloophim -E
    Elite African Pikeman - Aanatim Afrikanim Aloophim -E
    Iberian Assault Infantry - Dorkei Hatkafa -E
    Dorkim Kdoshim - (Sacred Band Phalanx) -E
    Ha'Abbirim Ha'Qdosim sel Astarte (Sacred Band Cavalry) -E -H
    Elephantes Hulaioi Liboukoi (Forest Elephants) -H
    Numidian Skirmishers
    Qala'im Numidim (Numidian Slingers)
    Numidian Cavalry
    Kasatim Numidim (Numidian Archers)
    Gldgmtk (Numidian Nobles) -E
    Iberian Milites
    Balearic Light Infantry
    Balearic Slingers -E
    Iberian Caetratii
    Iberian Scutarii
    Iberian Curisii
    Equites Caetratii
    Iberian Lancearii -E -H
    Dorkim Shardanim (Sardinian Infantry)


    Getai
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    Komatai (Dacian Skirmishers)
    Komatai Sphendonetai (Dacian Slingers)
    Mezenai (Dacian Light Cavalry)
    Komatai Toxotai (Dacian Archers)
    Drapanai (Dacian Shock Infantry)
    Komatai Agrianai (Dacian Elite Archers) -E
    Komatai Epilektoi (Dacian Elite Skirmishers) -E
    Getikoi Hippotoxotai (Dacian Horse Archers)
    Komatai Pelekuphoroi (Costobocii Axemen )
    Ischyroi Orditon (Elite Dacian Infantry) -E
    Getikoi Stratiotai (Dacian Light Phalanx)
    Ktistai (Dacian Noble Cavalry) -E
    Komatai Thorakitai Stratiotai (Dacian Heavy Phalanx)
    Tarabostes (Thracian Medium Cavalry)
    Phylakes Daoi (Dacian Bodyguards) -E -H
    Thraikioi Doryphoroi (Thracian Light Spearmen)
    Taxeis Triballoi
    Thraikioi Hippeis (Thracian Light Cavalry)
    Thraikioi Peltastai (Thracian Peltasts)
    Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry) -E
    Thrakioi Prodromoi


    KH
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    Hoplitai Haploi (Greek Levy Hoplites)
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Hippakontistai (Hellenic Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Hoplitai (Greek Classical Hoplites)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers) / Thracian Peltastai (There is a EDU bug)
    Ekdromoi Hoplitai (Greek Light Hoplites)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Hippeis (Greek Medium Cavalry)
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E
    Iphikratous Hoplitai (Greek Hoplite Phalanx)
    Toxotai Kretikoi (Cretan Archers) -E
    Hippeis Xystophoroi (Greek Noble Cavalry) -E -H
    Koinon Hellenon Phalangitai (Greek Pikemen)
    Thorakitai Hoplitai (Greek Heavy Hoplite Phalanx)
    Epilektoi Hoplitai -E
    Spartiatai Hoplitai (Spartan Hoplites) -E
    Sphendonetai Rhodioi (Rhodian Slingers) -E
    Somatophylakes Strategou (Greek General) -E


    Macedonia
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    Hoplitai Haploi (Greek Levy Hoplites)
    Phalangitai Deuteroi (Hellenic Levy Phalanx)
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Hippakontistai (Hellenic Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Hoplitai (Greek Classical Hoplites)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Pezhetairoi
    Argyraspides (Hellenic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Hysteroi Pezhetairoi (Macedonian Reformed Heavy Phalanx)
    Hippeis Thessalikoi (Thessalian Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E
    Hypaspistai -E
    Peltastai Makedonikoi (Hellenistic Elite Infantry) -E
    Hetairoi (Companion Cavalry) -E -H
    Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi (Agrianian Assault Infantry)
    Thraikioi Doryphoroi (Thracian Light Spearmen)
    Thrakioi Hippeis (Thracian Light Cavalry)
    Taxeis Triballoi
    Thrakioi Peltastai (Thracian Peltasts)
    Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry) -E
    Thrakioi Prodromoi


    Sweboz
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    Gaizoz Frije (Germanic Levy Spearmen)
    Jugunthiz (Germanic Skirmishers)
    Dugunthiz (Germanic Spearmen)
    Slaganz (Germanic Club Infantry)
    Skutjanz (Germanic Archers)
    Herunautoz (Germanic Swordsmen)
    Skaduganganz (Germanic Naked Spearmen) -E
    Ridanz (Germanic Light Cavalry)
    Speutagardaz (Germanic Pikemen)
    Thegnoz Drugule (Germanic Heavy Infantry) -E
    Marhathegnoz (Germanic Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Herthaganautoz (Germanic Bodyguard Infantry) -E
    Druhtiz Habukisku (Chauci Spearmen)
    Druhtiz Herusku (Cherusci Swordsmen)
    Jugunthiz Hattisku (Chatti Club Infantry)
    Dugunthiz Hattisku (Chatti Spearmen)
    Druhtiz Skandzisku (Scandinavian Spearmen)
    Gaizoz Alje (Celto-Germanic Spearmen)


    Casse
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    Lugoae
    Imannae
    Cemmeinarn (Briton Midland Spearmen)
    Gaeroas
    Gaelaiche
    Uirodusios (Celtic Naked Spearmen) -E
    Kluddobro (Briton Shortswordsmen)
    Botroas
    Iaosatae
    Sotaroas
    Teceitos (Celtic Axemen)
    Calawre (Casse Champions)
    Drwdae (Druids) -E
    Cwmyr (Briton Midlander Heroes)
    Kluddargos (Casse Sword Masters)-E
    Rycalawre (Casse Late Champions)-E
    Myrcharn (Casse Light Cavalry)-E
    The Myrcharn (Mur-churn; "Mounted Ones")
    Cidainh (Celtic Chariots) -E
    Bodyguard Cidainh (Celtic Chariots) -.5E
    Pictone Neitos (Pictone "Painted" Swordsmen)
    Balroae (Caledonian Skirmishers)
    Silurae Birnai (Siluri Warband)
    The Silurae Birnai (Sel-oor-ay Bern-ay; Silurii Warband)


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    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Hippakontistai (Hellenic Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Machimoi (Native Egyptian Infantry)
    Machimoi Phalangitai (Machimoi Native Phalanx)
    Iudaioi Taxeis (Jewish Spearmen)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Uazali (Karian Warband)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
    Pezhetairoi
    Machimoi Hippeis (Machimoi Light Cavalry)
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Elephantes Hulaioi Liboukoi (African Forest Elephants) -H
    Galatikoi Kleruchoi (Galatian Heavy Infantry)
    Klerouchikon Agema (Ptolemaic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Agema Klerouchikon Hippeon (Ptolemaic Heavy Cavalry) -H
    Basilikon Agema (Royal Guards) -E
    Hetairoi (Companion Cavalry) -E -H
    Somatophylakes Strategou -E -H
    Toxotai Kretikoi (Cretan Archers) -E
    Hoplitai Troglodutikes (Red Sea Hoplites)
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E


    Saka
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    Halstehveyyau (Saka Spearmen)
    Duna Asya (Saka Horse-Archers)
    Assa-Barai (Saka Riders)
    Asya Badarai (Saka Heavy Cavalry) -H
    Ysaninu Aysna (Early Saka Nobles) -E
    Ysaninu Aysiramj� (Saka Cataphracts) -H
    Spatahaura Hadabara (Saka Armored Nobles) -E -H
    Yuehzi Noble Horse Archers -E
    Sahiya Hadabara (Saka Late Cataphract) -E -H
    Hoplitai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Hellenic Medium Infantry)
    Peltastai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Greek Peltasts)
    Hoplitai Hellenikon (Saka Heavy Hoplites)
    Indohellenikoi Eugeneis Hoplitai (Indo-Greek Noble Hoplites) -E
    Agema Hellenikon (Indo-Greek Royal Guard) -E
    Agema Hippeon Hellenikon (Indo-Hellenic Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Elephantes Indikoi (Indian Elephants) -H
    Elephantes Kataphraktoi Indikoi (Armoured Indian Elephants) -H -E
    Hindus Pattisainya (Indian Spearmen)
    Hindus Patiyodha (Indian Longbowmen)
    Sreni Pattya Yoddaha (Infantry Guild Warriors) -E
    Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriya (Indo-Iranian Light Cavalry) -E
    Taxilan Agema (Indo-Iranian Heavy cavalry) -H -E


    Getai
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    Komatai Sphendonetai (Dacian Slingers)
    Mezenai (Dacian Light Cavalry)
    Komatai Toxotai (Dacian Archers)
    Drapanai (Dacian Shock Infantry)
    Komatai Agrianai (Dacian Elite Archers)
    Komatai Epilektoi (Dacian Elite Skirmishers)
    Getikoi Hippotoxotai (Dacian Horse Archers)
    Komatai Pelekuphoroi (Costobocii Axemen )
    Ischyroi Orditon (Elite Dacian Infantry)
    Getikoi Stratiotai (Dacian Light Phalanx)
    Ktistai (Dacian Noble Cavalry)
    Komatai Thorakitai Stratiotai (Dacian Heavy Phalanx)
    Tarabostes (Thracian Medium Cavalry)
    Phylakes Daoi (Dacian Bodyguards)
    Thraikioi Doryphoroi (Thracian Light Spearmen)
    Taxeis Triballoi
    Thraikioi Hippeis (Thracian Light Cavalry)
    Thraikioi Peltastai (Thracian Peltasts)
    Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry)
    Thrakioi Prodromoi

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    Rules are ok. I'm fine with it.

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    Well, im not sure if this is the correct thread to sign up in, but ill give it a go as the Arche Seleukeia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alsatia View Post
    Rules are ok. I'm fine with it.
    Same goes for me.

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    the rules seem fine IMO...the few battles i played with u seemed well balanced..i had a match with ACS (KH vs Baktria) too and it was a close one...though i only give my opinion from KH, mak and carthago POV...
    BTW gr8 job on the organization for previous tourney sir...a balloon for u if i may...
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    Sign me in. I'll play Carthage again


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    It's a bit foggy for me, what about the LIGHTs? Only those units count as LIGHT which have skirmishing mode? What about the axemen in Anatolia? And the Thuerophoroi? And the levy spearmen? And the shortswordsmen?

    EDIT: LOL, Never mind, I read it again.
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    good rules, but i totally disagree those ridicolous 3k that romani leave.
    I didn t see, in last tourney, that romani are so strong with 36k... they lost many battle also with polybian 36k (all principes) full upgrade
    Maybe this rule can work with all pre-marian romani(polybian and camillan), but not with post-marian in my mind.
    Another thing: i think barbarians should be allowed to take more light troops than 6.
    I m going to take Hayadsan for this new tourney... maybe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aulus Caecina Severus View Post
    good rules, but i totally disagree those ridicolous 3k that romani leave.
    I didn t see, in last tourney, that romani are so strong with 36k... they lost many battle also with polybian 36k (all principes) full upgrade
    Maybe this rule can work with all pre-marian romani(polybian and camillan), but not with post-marian in my mind.
    Another thing: i think barbarians should be allowed to take more light troops than 6.
    I m going to take Hayadsan for this new tourney... maybe...
    Yeah I kinda noticed the rule altered too. Does it only apply to Camillan and Polybian armies or for every single Romani army regardless of what era

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aulus Caecina Severus View Post
    good rules, but i totally disagree those ridicolous 3k that romani leave.
    I didn t see, in last tourney, that romani are so strong with 36k... they lost many battle also with polybian 36k (all principes) full upgrade
    Maybe this rule can work with all pre-marian romani(polybian and camillan), but not with post-marian in my mind.
    Another thing: i think barbarians should be allowed to take more light troops than 6.
    I m going to take Hayadsan for this new tourney... maybe...
    Since we don't have elite limits anymore, it prevents people from taking the all Pedites, Triarii spam army. Its not like your all principes spam was realistic either and knowing you, you pretty much sat there, let your cav get beaten by someone else and died. The main reason that post Marian is hit with the 3K limit as well is because people got pissed at your for your missile spam of 6 Sagitarii but I think there is a way around that:

    Post Marian troops get to use all their money except I'm actually going to enforce your use of Imperial Era cavalry. You're stuck with Alae Imperatoria, Pratorean Cavalry, and the various mercs like you guys should have been doing all last tournement instead of the Marian Auxillaries.

    I'll test it today.

    PS. Infact, I remember one time we played and you took that army. You lost your cavalry in a big engagement against Mak and quit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó View Post
    It's a bit foggy for me, what about the LIGHTs? Only those units count as LIGHT which have skirmishing mode? What about the axemen in Anatolia? And the Thuerophoroi? And the levy spearmen? And the shortswordsmen?

    EDIT: LOL, Never mind, I read it again.
    I may be wrong, but from what I understand (from my tester games with ASM), LIGHT units are any units that have skirmish mode and/or 'fast moving'.

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    Fast moving + not 'well armored' or skirmish for infantry and skirmish + not 'well armored' for cav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    Fast moving + not 'well armored' or skirmish for infantry and skirmish + not 'well armored' for cav.
    Then the Thracian Peltasts count as normal infantry too. I have to check the axemen and native spearmen, but if I'm right they don't have the "Fast movin'" "trait". Thuerophoroi is infantry too. Hmm...hmmm...hmmm.

    Edit: Axemen from Mikra Asia don't have the trait, but the native spearmen like Pantodapoi have it. Damn.

    I'm confused about Thrakians, what do they count?
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    Anything with skirimish and two legs is counted in the 'Light' category. The designation does remove most of the assault infantry types from the mix so its pretty much missile and levy spam(thought the Gauls/Iberians can fill it with decent infnatry).

    Also, I like the idea for bumping up the barbarian Light limit to 8 so they can mass more of their crap missiles if they want to against other missile spammers(thought a massive charge probably works a little better than standing there trading missiles).

    BTW- I'm Getai this time around :-D
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    I see, I hope none will go spam 7-8 Cretan Archers or Thrakian Peltasts, because they are all considered light.
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    i would be going with Koinon Hellenon


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó View Post
    I see, I hope none will go spam 7-8 Cretan Archers or Thrakian Peltasts, because they are all considered light.
    I don't think anyone can get 8 Cretans since no faction gets them that have 6+. However, Syrians, Bosphorans, and Persian HEavies are all up for grabs.
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    Western Mediterranian/Continental and N. European Factions:
    -Rome, Arche Seleukia, KH, Maks, Ptoly, Carthago, Luso, Gauls, Casse, Sweboz, Getai
    4 Medium or Heavy Cavalry MAX with up to 2 Heavy Cavalry MAX.
    4 MIN and 6 MAX Lights
    12 MAX Infantry, 8 Phalanx MAX
    6 Mercenary/Allied MAX

    So there is a minimum number of Light we need to have? Im just trying to clarify things, but lights are archers/skirmishers right?

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    To make sure, mercenary/allied units are also subject to the other limitations right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsidneku View Post
    To make sure, mercenary/allied units are also subject to the other limitations right?
    Indeed my Pontic brother. :

    Edit: By the way, the Hamachi servers are full.
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    yes... well poop. Hamachi servers are full. I'm not sure hwo to deal with it. We need to pigeon hole ~40 people into X rooms with a 16 person capacity. Find X.

    Mercs do have to obey the totals.
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    hi im goin with pontos for august.

    ingame name: Pharnakes

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    ASM, we need to adopt a new game portaling software for high capacity -- or you need to release a host of 'new' rooms when the new tournament opens.

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    I was thinking IRC chatroom and hten poeple make their own rooms ot play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    I was thinking IRC chatroom and hten poeple make their own rooms ot play.
    GOOD IDEA.

    What if some people don't know how to use irc? LOL

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    BTW- Tournement starts Monday.
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    ASM, how do you feel about implementing a mnai bonus to factions using elephants in this tourney? We should do more testing in general this weekend irregardless.
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    I'll be roman this time round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabeed View Post
    ASM, how do you feel about implementing a mnai bonus to factions using elephants in this tourney? We should do more testing in general this weekend irregardless.
    I don't know. When they work they win the game, when they fail... they win the game form the other person. I think we need to test more on it.
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    what is the reason behind the no elite cap?

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