EB Online Tournement August Rules Discussion

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

Since we don't have elite limits anymore, it prevents people from taking the all Pedites, Triarii spam army. Its not like your all principes spam was realistic either and knowing you, you pretty much sat there, let your cav get beaten by someone else and died. The main reason that post Marian is hit with the 3K limit as well is because people got pissed at your for your missile spam of 6 Sagitarii but I think there is a way around that:

Post Marian troops get to use all their money except I'm actually going to enforce your use of Imperial Era cavalry. You're stuck with Alae Imperatoria, Pratorean Cavalry, and the various mercs like you guys should have been doing all last tournement instead of the Marian Auxillaries.

I'll test it today.

PS. Infact, I remember one time we played and you took that army. You lost your cavalry in a big engagement against Mak and quit.

Sorry, but... did you see ala imperatoria and praetorian cavalry in the field?
They can t charge well, haven t ap, they lose in melee also with podromoi and daha riders(!!!), i ve already tested it, they are more expensive too.
Except of armour they are as strong as eqvites romani, then a shit.
So you said: "take this cav in imperial era, cannot spam saggitari(but KH can spam cretans) or prima cohors, 3k limitation"... then imperial army suck after this.
Why you said that take auxilliary cav isn t historically right?
About Marian: yes they are allowed to take those average auxilliary cav, but haven t sagittarii, and 3k limitation again... then also marian suck.
About Polybian: they are actually the best of roman era due to this rules limitations, but they haven t archers, have those heavy infantry limitation and of course the same 3k rule.
Then without chevron, polybian infantry is worse than marian/imperial due to less men and less morale.
About Camillan: they aren t so bad, but low morale and bad armour are the main problems...

However, with this new rules... plus the reforms limitations (that other factions haven t), romani become really hard to playing... more against those extra heavy cav or powerful hellenic army.

It s clear that romani are now really more weak than previous tourney...
But why?
Did you forgot romani team score in last tourney?
It s really necessary to make more weak romani?
You talking about giving elephants to AS... isn t AS already the stronger faction?
Be serious... you can see my point...

[antisocialmunky]

Well its not an issue of imperials being weaker, its an issue of me letting you bend the rules by taking Marian Cavalry. The 3K unspent in Pre-Marian is to prevent Triarii + Pedite spam. I'm still reconsidering the Imperial 3K limit but I think it'll go away since really, the archers aren't that massive of a problem.

You can still archer spam in any era if that's what you're after.

@goat - They are gone to allow you more flexibility. I think the new format should work fine and the mnai limit will stiffle your all elite armies.

So far the only good application for masschat/gaming is Tunngle: http://tunngle.net/en/

I think I got all the bugs worked out of it on my end so if anyone wants to test it with me again. I'm up for it.

[Phalanx300]

Ok I'll try to join this one as Sweboz this time.

[helenos aiakides]

I'll be getai

[Paul D]

I'll play as Lusotana, but only on the condition that I choose the maps I fight on. (No hope for me on flat grassy maps.)

[vartan]

So far the only good application for masschat/gaming is Tunngle: http://tunngle.net/en/

I think I got all the bugs worked out of it on my end so if anyone wants to test it with me again. I'm up for it.

Did you finally get the darn thing to work? Does it require any modifications or is it finally working on its own now?

[Apázlinemjó]

I'll play as Lusotana, but only on the condition that I choose the maps I fight on. (No hope for me on flat grassy maps.)

It depends on your opponent too.

[antisocialmunky]

Did you finally get the darn thing to work? Does it require any modifications or is it finally working on its own now?

I got it connect without any popups...


BTW- Did anyone want to try out the assassination style scoring?

-You get +1 to your wins for every victory.
-Your score is compared to your high score. If its higher, high score = score.
-If you general dies, score = 0, high score stays
-Person at the end of the month with hte highest high score wins.

[vartan]

I got it connect without any popups...


BTW- Did anyone want to try out the assassination style scoring?

-You get +1 to your wins for every victory.
-Your score is compared to your high score. If its higher, high score = score.
-If you general dies, score = 0, high score stays
-Person at the end of the month with hte highest high score wins.

No need to try it out. Just implement it. (I believe it's perfect. Well, not perfect, but I really like the idea.)

[m0r1d1n]

@ASM
-You get +1 to your wins for every victory.
-Your score is compared to your high score. If its higher, high score = score.
-If you general dies, score = 0, high score stays
-Person at the end of the month with hte highest high score wins

please elaborate a little more ..what exactly would be the High score...and how diff. is it from the wins?

also, what do we do about the hamachi networks? i could only join EBOT_4 and i cannot see anyone but you and a couple more guys there...how do we arrange matches??

P.S. sorry for the other day...maybe we could have that match some other time??

[antisocialmunky]

The only idea I have is to have us all activate the commercial licenses this month(it lasts 30 days) and then figure out something next month. I'll wait for tomorrow to start.

I would love to test Tunngle again since I can connect without it spazzing out.

@mor1d1n - Your score gets reset every time your general dies so the person with the highest score when they died wins.

[Gabeed]

@mor1d1n - Your score gets reset every time your general dies so the person with the highest score when they died wins.

This, of course, would be the case even if you win the battle and your general dies. The idea is that you may actually want to have your general flee from a losing battle, rather than dying in vain . ..and also that you'll want to protect your general from harm more.

Eventually, I want to set up a tournament that will work as an AAR of sorts, wherein every battle you fight will impact your battles in the future (in who you face, what kind of army you and your opponent has, where you'll be fighting, etc), and you may want to spare entire armies rather than have them fight to the death. We'll see.

[darius_d]

This, of course, would be the case even if you win the battle and your general dies. The idea is that you may actually want to have your general flee from a losing battle, rather than dying in vain . ..and also that you'll want to protect your general from harm more.

Eventually, I want to set up a tournament that will work as an AAR of sorts, wherein every battle you fight will impact your battles in the future (in who you face, what kind of army you and your opponent has, where you'll be fighting, etc), and you may want to spare entire armies rather than have them fight to the death. We'll see.

Interesting. I will stay tuned on that.

For the moment I skip the tournament of August to continue my holidays and then campaign in SP, but then I shall back.

[m0r1d1n]

Ah... i see...this seems like a real good idea!! gr8 for role-playing the battles and can be taken further in later tourneys...

@ ASM and Gabeed...thanks for explaining...

so, should we like.. join tunngle ...how do we go about arranging battles?? and when do we start??

[antisocialmunky]

A few things...

1) Rule updates:
-Lusto, Gauls, Casse, Sweboz have had their max light units bumped to 8 incase they want to counter missile spam with missile spam. You're better off rushing TBH. Getai can buy Horse Archers and Cantabrian like crazy and has decent 'elite' archers though they might get bumped to 8 as well if we want to give them a better steppe option.
-Elephant Credit of 5K per elephant. Announce how many you have(up to 2) and adjust budget accordingly. Make sure the other player doesn't accidentally spend everything.
-I'm going to allow you to take light cav in your medium cav slots if you want to do that since (A) there aren't any 'medium' HA and (B) cheaper elephants.
-If you haven't noticed... Rome only gets hit by the 3K in Polybian and Camillian again.

2a) Can anyone get something else to work? We haven't been able to get Wippien, Leaf, or Tunngle to work with RTW without the game crashing. If anyone can get one of them to work, reply.

2b) Incase we can't find anything, DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A GOOD FREE IRC SERVER AND WEB CLIENT? We'll meet there and arrange games on Hamachi.

3) Who will invade Italy now?
http://www.filefront.com/14247463/DeathOfHamilcar.rpy

[tsidneku]

Use IRC. Just jump into any major server and register a channel. It's not like we have to moderate it or anything. You can set a pass on the channel if you want after registering with most servers.

Chatspike should work (irc.chatspike.net) afaik.

IRC then Hamachi option sounds ideal at the moment. Please use forum names when you login to IRC to avoid complication.

[tsidneku]

I'll play this month as the Getai.

[antisocialmunky]

http://www.mirc.com/get.html

Sigh... Welcome to 1995, enjoy your stay. :-p

Well it seems like mIRC is hardcore sharewarez now so we can't use that long term. So lets use this:
http://www.hydrairc.com/index.php?page=downloads

http://www.hydrairc.com/wiki/wakka.php?wakka=HomePage

Download, install, if you're a noob at this: read the instructions since IRC is fairly primative and you're going to have to shell/cmd line everything so might as well read the instructions.

-Join irc.chatspike.net
-/Join #EB

And we are good.

[NeoSpartan]

@ASM
-You get +1 to your wins for every victory.
-Your score is compared to your high score. If its higher, high score = score.
-If you general dies, score = 0, high score stays
-Person at the end of the month with hte highest high score wins

please elaborate a little more ..what exactly would be the High score...and how diff. is it from the wins?

also, what do we do about the hamachi networks? i could only join EBOT_4 and i cannot see anyone but you and a couple more guys there...how do we arrange matches??

P.S. sorry for the other day...maybe we could have that match some other time??

oh...... now I have to break the tradition of having my general die with his men when his army falls

...however... he will still lead from the front regardless of how the battle is going

[Andronikos]

-NO STACKING YOUR UNITS ONTOP OF EACH OTHER EXCEPT WHEN ATTACKING

I had no idea what this means until I played vanilla MP with one guy who placed no less than 5 (!!!) units of cavalry (+ sometimes also elephants) on the ground which is normally covered by one. It was really invincible, its charge killed every unit. I was sooo angry, I never did this because it is against realism and common sense, that riders would kill or dismount each other.

I will have a busy september, but perhaps in october I will join this MP.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sorry I can't stop but vanilla is such a #$@&!!! That guy also invented a special formation with Rome which I called f*** as an abreviation for "full urban cohort & katapult" which was also supplemented with five stacked praetorian cavalry. I lowered money limit after each battle to match it with other factions and with really low budget he swept the battlefield with my units with perhaps 12 units of some stacked low-class cav.

[antisocialmunky]

Look forward to it. BTW - try the stacked phalanx + katapult strategy if you want to play vanilla Rome..

[Flavius_Belisarius]

Don't want to disapoint you you already have lost in vanilla if you take catapults against a good player :P (if good is defined as spamming pretorian units). And a phalanx stack works only in citys. :)

[antisocialmunky]

I can see massed archers breaking the double layered square ontop of a hill with missiles inside or massed artillery.

[Flavius_Belisarius]

If you make a square on the top of a hill with phalangits you would even win in EB. But no general with honor would use such a "tactic". :P