September 1, 1939

[Jolt]

The best info I can find is that the Mongols may have killed 40 million people, so its not even close, really. Also, their expansion ended without the invention and use of a weapon that could destroy all life on Earth.

The Nanking massacre is called the greatest single act of discriminated murder in military invasion of World War 2. Highest estimates reach the 500,000. (Remember, this is a densely populous chinese city in the 20th Century)

Then you have Mongol Chinese campaigns, which made the Chinese population go from 60 million to 10 million.
Then you have massacres like the one at Nishapur, which killed 1,750,000 people in one go.
Then another one at Herat which estimates range from 1,500,000 to 2,500,000 deaths in one go.
Then you have yet another one in Maru, which ranges around 1,300,000 in one go.

(One go might be a massacre of several weeks/months, but the point is that they didn't finish until they massacred ALL those that weren't useful to them.)

Now let me ask. Would you rather have lived in a city that was part of the Mongol attacks or a city that was part of a German/Japanese/Allied attack?

[Agent Miles]

Well after more than five centuries it is difficult to separate myth from fact. I've found figures as low as thirty million deaths over a period of five decades for the Mongol Khans. Europeans certainly described them as boogy men who even copulated with their horses. How much is true?
I would most certainly not want to have been in Stalingrad/any of the Chinese cities that the Japanese dropped plague ridden fleas on /Hiroshima.

[Meneldil]

The Nanking massacre is called the greatest single act of discriminated murder in military invasion of World War 2. Highest estimates reach the 500,000. (Remember, this is a densely populous chinese city in the 20th Century)

Then you have Mongol Chinese campaigns, which made the Chinese population go from 60 million to 10 million.
Then you have massacres like the one at Nishapur, which killed 1,750,000 people in one go.
Then another one at Herat which estimates range from 1,500,000 to 2,500,000 deaths in one go.
Then you have yet another one in Maru, which ranges around 1,300,000 in one go.

(One go might be a massacre of several weeks/months, but the point is that they didn't finish until they massacred ALL those that weren't useful to them.)

Now let me ask. Would you rather have lived in a city that was part of the Mongol attacks or a city that was part of a German/Japanese/Allied attack?

Given that these numbers were recorded by muslim historians, who did their best to portray Mongols as 'ze evil subhumans who came to destroy us', mentioning them in a discussion might not be really helpful.
Heck, some of them stated that Herat was spared. The list of such fallacies in so-called records is endless.
Even the numbers you're bringing up are inflated. Most muslim scholars - whose opinion might honestly be regarded as biaised - estimated that between 300k and 800K were killed in Nishapur. I've yet to find a source mentioning 1.750.000. The same goes on for the other cities you listed.

Furthermore, it's highly unrealistic to even think that 'China' (either Jin or Song) could have recovered from the manpower loss you brought up. The conquest started during the first half of the 13th and officially ended in 1279 (with the second part being the bloodiest one). In the 1290's, Marco Polo describes China as an immensely wealthy and quite populated place. How in hell would that be possible if China was left with a mere 10 millions inhabitants?

I'm not denying that the mongol conquests were probably one of the bloodiest era known to mankind, but 'sly'. You sound like the people who claim Stalin killed 120+ million russians/soviets during his reign. That's cool and all, but that doesn't really make a point.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'm not denying that the mongol conquests were probably one of the bloodiest era known to mankind, but 'sly'. You sound like the people who claim Stalin killed 120+ million russians/soviets during his reign. That's cool and all, but that doesn't really make a point.

I've never heard anyone claim that.

[Beskar]

I heard some one claimed the Nazi's killed around 22 million being exterminations of traitors, homosexuals, disabled, gypsies, jewish, etc.

That doesn't include those that died as direct result of warfare. That number would be far higher.