French and Moland vs. Republic of Congo

[Tribesman]

Norway could easily send in covert troops to extract Moland and French.

Yeah right Have you been watching too many movies?

[Sigurd]

Yeah right Have you been watching too many movies?

My guess is that you don't know me or my past, or know much about the training exchange between UK and Norway.
I used to travel to Scotland a few years back. I do not claim to be an ex-OP, but I was in the milieu so to speak.

[Kadagar_AV]

Sigurd, seriosly... No, just no.

You seem to have absolutely no idea what it would take to pull off such a rescue attempt, or the size of the international scandal if it was intended.

1. You would have to know the EXACT location of the prisoners over a couple of days (just one hour one day is not enough, you need to have some time for unexpected stuff).

2. You would have to smuggle a spec-op squad into the heart of Congo undetected.

3. You would have to make sure the spec-ops got weapons and gear for the job, undetected (least of the problems, but still a problem).


so, even if you manage to get a geared up spec-op team in place, with excellent intelligence, there are still some issues..

A) You would have to shoot your way in, killing civilians...

B) You must have a safe escape afterwards, a clear road and a hiding place till extraction... Given the national uproar that would come, this might not be very easy.


Even if successfull, the operation would shame Norway a LOT and cause trouble with africa at large.

If unsuccessfull, you would stand with a spec-ops team caught for public display. No only would you now have 12 or so norwegians in custody instead of two, but you would be in a very very wierd situation when it coems to negotiating.

I must agree with Tribes, you have seen a bit too many movies...

[Sigurd]

Sigurd, seriosly... No, just no.

You seem to have absolutely no idea what it would take to pull off such a rescue attempt, or the size of the international scandal if it was intended.

1. You would have to know the EXACT location of the prisoners over a couple of days (just one hour one day is not enough, you need to have some time for unexpected stuff).

2. You would have to smuggle a spec-op squad into the heart of Congo undetected.

3. You would have to make sure the spec-ops got weapons and gear for the job, undetected (least of the problems, but still a problem).

so, even if you manage to get a geared up spec-op team in place, with excellent intelligence, there are still some issues..

A) You would have to shoot your way in, killing civilians...

B) You must have a safe escape afterwards, a clear road and a hiding place till extraction... Given the national uproar that would come, this might not be very easy.


Even if successfull, the operation would shame Norway a LOT and cause trouble with africa at large.

If unsuccessfull, you would stand with a spec-ops team caught for public display. No only would you now have 12 or so norwegians in custody instead of two, but you would be in a very very wierd situation when it coems to negotiating.

I must agree with Tribes, you have seen a bit too many movies...

First of all, it could be done. But let's not pull straw men from my text here. Read back to my actual statement - it was a response to Louis' suggestion of Norway not being capable of such operations. Believe me we are capable, more capable than what is publicly believed.
I said it could be done - but It will not be done because of the diplomatic reasons you mention.

The Norwegian state will allow Congo to fix this scandal themselves. Apparently there is a quarrel between the local government in the city where the trial was held and the central government. This was apparently a political mooning by the tribunal in Kisangani to the government in Kinshasa.
I resent the “movie” accusation but will not discuss this particular issue any further.

[rvg]

I hope Norway manages to gets its boys out of there. There's no way they could possibly get a fair trial in that hellhole.

[Tribesman]

My guess is that you don't know me or my past, or know much about the training exchange between UK and Norway.
I used to travel to Scotland a few years back. I do not claim to be an ex-OP, but I was in the milieu so to speak.

Yeah?
So you should understand that getting into the country would be extremely difficult even if you could get assistance and access from a neighbouring country , once in movement would be near enough impossible and getting out again would require a miracle.
The only viable route in or out is from Brazzaville, but duexto the nature of the numerous wars going on in the state even the smallest boat cannot get onto the river without a military escort from the government.

[Sigurd]

Yeah?
So you should understand that getting into the country would be extremely difficult even if you could get assistance and access from a neighbouring country , once in movement would be near enough impossible and getting out again would require a miracle.
The only viable route in or out is from Brazzaville, but duexto the nature of the numerous wars going on in the state even the smallest boat cannot get onto the river without a military escort from the government.

But your suggestion is only applicable if they are actually moved to Kinshasa. Right now they are over 1000 km from the capital.
Knowing the military - they might already have plans ready even if they will never execute them. I shall not speculate on the possible options. We haven't been in this situation before and I am not sure what the government will decide if they learn that their execution is imminent. But I know certain branches in the military has the sufficient training to do such operations. I know from first hand experience. Even with my training (which I suspect is somewhat better than the average Congolese soldier), I never saw them coming nor leaving and I was expecting them.

[Strike For The South]

I think we need to send in the A-team.