Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[ULC]

I agreed to die in two rounds. But I am afraid that I feel my vote is still valuable to the town, I am sorry, I disagree with the decision before that time.

This is the best I can offer.

*perks up with a sadistic grin*

Why should we even have to vote for you? Come now, justice can be met without needing something so silly as a democratic vote by blind little puppets.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch ATPG.
No one should hold power for this long, not unless they are given it as their role (eg: king/high priest/ruler of in game land etc)

Hold power?

The only "power" I have is granted voluntarily, every round, by the very people of this town. It's called Democracy, and this is America, not Soviet Russia.

The very instant they believe I have outlived my usefulness I will be gone. I've always accepted that condition.

[Reenk Roink]

You yourself admitted that detective results aren't ironclad. You're expecting too much from me.

I would ask why it is expected that I get 100% of my suspects correct, instead of 90-95%.

Your group's record isn't close either of those percentages Atpg...

And I never admitted (strange word choice?) detective results weren't ironclad. I did say that basing guilt off them wasn't ironclad (as well as tracking night actions), and lo and behold. I still did expect a better performance due to the sheer volume of information though.

I'm giving out all that info very soon. Based on support, I've decided that the beginning of next round is the appropriate time. I will not knock Kommodus' efforts, if he were still with us, he would most assuredly have nailed most of the scums.

Why soon? Why just not now?

The role has never been, but my connections to the detectives have been, and having someone doing organization is essential.

I know for a fact you have connections to the detectives (they have admitted as much), but so do others.

I agreed to die in two rounds. But I am afraid that I feel my vote is still valuable to the town, I am sorry, I disagree with the decision before that time.

Yes your vote is valuable (for now), which is why I agreed with your proposal (even though I doubt you will actually man up to it - I think it will make you look bad... as I said earlier, lynching you then was very unlikely, but it gets more likely by the moment, and that is endearing ).

However, I would like to keep Chaotix alive as a foil to you until you die (yes his life is basically dependent on yours). Just don't tell him anything and keep making doctors off him. Problem solved.

Off tangent: also, I never swore? (I had an edited swear word out - that counts? )

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is absolute madness. By right I think I should have gotten YLC's role. I mean, Beskar even based a game off my language-crushing skills!

Also, please join Pirate Ship Mafia. It's right in the Gameroom and I need about 10 more players.

[ULC]

Off tangent: also, I never swore? (I had an edited swear word out - that counts? )

*giggles manically in a soft lavendery voice*

Words once spoken cannot be taken back when I see them

[a completely inoffensive name]

Zombie ACIN agrees that PizzaGuy should be removed.

[Chaotix]

Hold power?

The only "power" I have is granted voluntarily, every round, by the very people of this town. It's called Democracy, and this is America, not Soviet Russia.

The very instant they believe I have outlived my usefulness I will be gone. I've always accepted that condition.

Note the bolded word, here.

You are absolutely right. The fact that the town keeps you alive has everything to do with the fact that they believe you are an innocent pro-town role who is only trying to help.

The most convincing scheme tends to be the most elaborate one. Indeed, why not get rid of the mafia first? You have to kill them to win anyway, just like you have to kill everyone else who you haven't convinced to join you, and it makes you look good in front of the town to boot.

Anybody that has criticized you or tried to bring the less noble sides of your actions to light before is now dead. I will cite as my evidence the fact that you have multiple people saying that you deserve to die, and yet only one person is voting for you right now.

[ULC]

OOC:

Ohhh...missed this. Recruits into communism do not show up as communists - they show up as innocent.

*twirls away*

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note the bolded word, here.

You are absolutely right. The fact that the town keeps you alive has everything to do with the fact that they believe you are an innocent pro-town role who is only trying to help.

And when the murders against the town from the mafia stop, they will discard me like a used generalhankerchief.

The most convincing scheme tends to be the most elaborate one. Indeed, why not get rid of the mafia first? You have to kill them to win anyway, just like you have to kill everyone else who you haven't convinced to join you, and it makes you look good in front of the town to boot.

No one buys your story about me going for a solo win. My death will prove it. You're just impatient and trying to spare yourself.

I'll see in you two.

Anybody that has criticized you or tried to bring the less noble sides of your actions to light before is now dead. I will cite as my evidence the fact that you have multiple people saying that you deserve to die, and yet only one person is voting for you right now.

Perhaps the town considers the idea of destroying those opposed to them first to be a good idea.

Then they can destroy their loyal CIA agent, who has agreed to die for them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix, I also feel compelled to reiterate that since the game ends when the mafia are gone, your supposed victory condition for me is totally, exhaustively IMPOSSIBLE.

Can you at least admit that you're lying about that?

[pevergreen]

I disagree.

If there are secret roles, and mafia, if I am host, I dont say "Game ends when all roles hostile to town are gone"
I say "Town wins when mafia are gone" secret roles stay secret. Something that may pop up at the end when they think they've won.

Like it would be here...

"All mafia are dead, but theres another day phase?"

"We must have missed one!"

"But everyone here is loyal to ATPG!"

"Cant be them!"

"Must be ATPG!"

[Tratorix]

I disagree.

If there are secret roles, and mafia, if I am host, I dont say "Game ends when all roles hostile to town are gone"
I say "Town wins when mafia are gone" secret roles stay secret. Something that may pop up at the end when they think they've won.

Like it would be here...

"All mafia are dead, but theres another day phase?"

"We must have missed one!"

"But everyone here is loyal to ATPG!"

"Cant be them!"

"Must be ATPG!"

And if that happens, we lynch ATPG and win. I'm not seeing a problem.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I disagree.

If there are secret roles, and mafia, if I am host, I dont say "Game ends when all roles hostile to town are gone"
I say "Town wins when mafia are gone" secret roles stay secret. Something that may pop up at the end when they think they've won.

Like it would be here...

"All mafia are dead, but theres another day phase?"

"We must have missed one!"

"But everyone here is loyal to ATPG!"

"Cant be them!"

"Must be ATPG!"

If anyone has any questions about that, Seamus is but one Private Message away.

We are allowed to know the town's victory condition, or the game would be unfair. You're reaching.

[pevergreen]

I'm sensing a netherworld ending...

[Chaotix]

Perhaps the town considers the idea of destroying those opposed to them first to be a good idea.

Then they can destroy their loyal CIA agent, who has agreed to die for them.

That's a contradiction if I ever saw one. Why have you decided to lynch me, then, if you are all for the town. Am I somehow more inherently dangerous than the mafia who were killing people last night, who I am sure you have discerned the identity of?

Am I, a neutral, crippled, single, Communist role who has revealed everything to the town, more of a threat to the town than the still-breathing and kill-capable mafia?

Let's face it, the only possible way I will be able to win now is if the whole town decides they all want to be Communists and join me. I have no opportunity left to scheme and plot because you are already on to me. And as you have seen with my doomed attempt on SSNeo, I can't even kill on my own. I would need an ally, of which I have none.

And as to your "game ends when the mafia die" quip: I do not the think the term "mafia" is meant to mean only the families. Would the game have ended if we killed all the mafia but the #5 killer was still alive? You are essentially the same case.

[ULC]

*screams of the damned*

*twitches a little*

I'm sorry, but your opinion is invalidated by you being a faithless, atheist, communist, lying, traitorous, sinful, adulterous scum gleened from the depths of hells cesspools.

Go Whites!

*laughs manically*

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Chaotix

There's still a few rounds to get rid of Pizza.

[Tratorix]

Am I, a neutral, crippled, single, Communist role who has revealed everything to the town, more of a threat to the town than the still-breathing and kill-capable mafia?

Unfortunately, the mafia haven't been nice enough to own up to their activities in the thread, as you have so kindly done.

[Lord Winter]

If chaotix is right, then Pizz,a you would have pulled off the most awesome performance in mafia history.

[pevergreen]

If chaotix is right, then Pizz,a you would have pulled off the most awesome performance in mafia history.

I disagree. See Netherworld.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If chaotix is right, then Pizz,a you would have pulled off the most awesome performance in mafia history.

He's not correct, as would be evident by the fact that the town would be in an impossible position to win the game at the outset if it meant what he says it means. Plus my whole volunteering to die and all.

My scorecard for this game won't be filled out until the game is over. I am hoping it will be rated favorably, but we will have to see.

[pevergreen]

Plus my whole volunteering to die and all.

Which you do every game, have already done this game and did not carry out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Which you do every game, have already done this game and did not carry out.

Patience, viceroy, patience, he will die.

[I should really put that quote behind spoilers. What the heck is the matter with you, quoting Episode II? I mean, come on now - GH]

[Askthepizzaguy]

[I should really put that quote behind spoilers. What the heck is the matter with you, quoting Episode II? I mean, come on now - GH]

I already quoted Episode III in my director writeup, too.

[White_eyes:D]

For some reason....my friend is playing this Game and it reminds me of what is going on right now.

[Joooray]

Vote : Chaotix

About the whole case against Atpg. I take a communist being suspected of protecting the remaining mafia and who has been obviously working against the town in the past over a CIA-agent, who I know has been pro-town for the most part, even if he has a secret agenda, which I find highly unplausible, any time.

[Jolt]

YLC also tried to kill Reenk, the day before ATPG tried to become director.

CR

That was partly my intention. I wanted to try out the new weapon I had (YLC) and after learning how to harness this awesome weapon of doom, I decided to set Reenk up to die (As obviously, he was in cahoots with Lord Winter, which I greatly suspected of being Mafia after both insisted in bringing my grand TheFlax conspiracy back time and again when I had already killed it). Easily enough, Reenk was very easy to goad into a position where he would sign his own death warrant, as he's been playing the arrogant role all game long.
So, as Reenk was enjoying bashing Pizza every now and then I decided to use the next opportunity I could find to play my cards right.

And thus it came to this:

I'm not really feeling an Andres lynch over disco or Atpg though. I would just put him on the list (he's on the list - actually add more to his rap sheet).

There is something that just doesn't add up with your obsession on ATPG. ATPG has so far being giving us primary suspects to lynch, suspects that have been throughly well better argued as being scum then many of the names flying around. He has been pretty much confirmed as some sort of special role, and so far he and his contacts are apparently managing to rack up quite a few investigations, among those myself, which served to prove my innocence. Somehow, despite all these things, you still see him as a primary lynch target? You on the other hand, have been doing nothing but picking who of the suspects is fit for town to lynch, even though, most curiously in fact, you yourself have been investigated as unclear, which renders exactly the same result as an investigation on ATPG himself. Besides that, you have been lobbing accusations left and right, and even I have been in your spotlight but we all must start wondering ourselves whether you yourself are innocent. The way I see it, you sure aren't.

Carefully inserted at the end, to make sure he didn't miss it in the wall of text, I ended it by stating my own opinion that he wasn't innocent, thus passing the ball to his side of the court, where I was sure he was going to lambast all my points and would step on the mine I placed for him to step. I would have never have made that post except with the sole reason that I did it. As such, all the post except the bolded part is just "bla,bla,bla,bla,bla". Stuffing a post with coherent provokative words simply to lead to the final part.

Of course, RR didn't waste any time in extending his neck to the sword

I wanted Sasaki lynched over both disco and Atpg this round. Please don't nitpick statements and draw conclusions.

To your charges:

Atpg's sources are likely a combination of my own (disco, CA, FH - I've had dirt on all of them at my doorstep), and others that I don't have (disco is a luca was news to me). I also have sources that he probably doesn't, not to mention there are people who have told me they are unwilling to work with him anymore.

I was also a thing by GH in his last 20 minutes to spare himself that piqued my interest. Suspicion by a man who worked closely with him. Yes I know that GH was most likely scum, but GH has done the "if I'm going down I'm taking you down too before in Capo" and that convo reminded me of it.

For all the claims that "Atpg is hated by all the Mafia" there hasn't been a single attempt at his life. Kage's arguments against Atpg are strong, much better than the case we lynched CA on. The fact is, that Atpg's sources are very, very odd in both their ability and their targets, and that leads to some suspicion to him.

Go look up my townie PM to see why I might have an unclear result. Now to turn it on you, do you have any explanation on how I could procure a townie PM so quickly from the game's start if I did not get it from Seamus? Perhaps a forgery from the earlier one put up? Well then explain the changes in formatting and structure of the two? The PM I put up was confirmed by several townies, one publicly in thread, as IDENTICAL to theirs in format and content.

As director, because of my guard squad, even if I had a kill or protect ability, I could not use it. Not only that but I am unable to participate in any kind of night missions in groups. The only thing I could do is investigate (I don't have the ability). Don't believe me, ask Seamus right here in the thread about Director mechanics.

Indeed, this post only serves to heighten the suspicion on Atpg, that he has guard dogs going after those who suspect him...

So nice try Jolt, but not only does Atpg warrant great suspicion, I am a paragon of innocence as compared to you. You seem to be bitter that I wanted you lynched before, I still do, now let's see who the town believes (if the landslide elections are any indication of my status and your near lynch any indication of yours).

So I applauded Reenk's reply profusely. And in my later replies I made sure I didn't touch the "innocence" subject to make sure I didn't make it obvious that innocence was related to the death of RR.

Alas, he barely survived, while I died that night. Still, harnessing YLC to kill Reenk was pretty easy, and I was already planning on making the same prank on LW.

[Language please - GH]

[Sigurd]

I can vouch for ATPG.

He has the towns interest at heart, all though he doesn't necessary need to. His commission is to prevent any Communist takeover.
He has been kind enough to coordinate the pro-town effort, hiding important players from the scrutiny of the Mafia and been an instrument in ridding Fatlington of 4 Dons, 5 Lucas and 7 Mades.
That is an impressive rap sheet if I have ever seen one despite the fact that this is a secondary mission for him.

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I have really no idea of what purpose the communists play in this game - it would be weird that it consists of toothless roles. How can you take over Fatlington without the means to do so? And why bring the Communists into the game at all - if they don't really have a purpose?

The FBI and the CIA should have lots of texts in their role PMs about this.
Questioning slashandburn about this he replied:

I Am the embodiment of innocence Talk to Shinseikhaan - he might know something.

I then talked to Shinseikhaan:

Don't bug me with this. Can't you see? I Am as INNOCENT as a baby robin on a perch . I did not promise Sasaki or CR I would just let them go unpunished and my devoted an innocent followers White_Eyes:D and gibsonsg91921 support me in this.

I had to confirm with White_Eyes:D and gibson of course:

Get out of my innocent presence. I am as an Angel dancing on a cloud.

INNOCENT!!! DO YA HEAR?? I AM INNOCENT!!!

*cough*

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can vouch for ATPG.

He has the towns interest at heart, all though he doesn't necessary need to. His commission is to prevent any Communist takeover.
He has been kind enough to coordinate the pro-town effort, hiding important players from the scrutiny of the Mafia and been an instrument in ridding Fatlington of 4 Dons, 5 Lucas and 7 Mades.
That is an impressive rap sheet if I have ever seen one despite the fact that this is a secondary mission for him.

Let's just say I like America just the way it is.... NOT run by scum of the earth.

I always knew that the town would actually be trustworthy enough to assist me in ridding them of the communist threat. In return, I have done everything in my power to rid them of the mafia threat. I stayed up late many a night taking notes, following clues, and piecing together investigative results. I wouldn't have done this if my mission was to destroy the town. Just follow my activity pattern... you name an hour of the day, and I've been on here working the case, certain days. I only messed up on one night when I was too busy sending out suggested actions for the town that I forgot to send an action of my own.

That's my priorities. That comes first.

I would die for this country, and the people in it. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. I hope we send the mafia down the river before that happens. I'd like to be there at the celebration, smoking cigars and reminiscing. But if I must die then I shall.

Oh, and Sigurd? That doesn't work... believe me, if it were that easy, the game would have been unfair on the mafia. YLC isn't someone you can just point at the enemy and shoot.

[Jolt]

Ugh. Sigurd. My advice. Delete that post. Seriously.