Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Andres]

Proletariat shall not be finishing this game. Real life has caught up with her. I shall be her replacement for the remainder of the game.

Ok Louis, we all know Prole didn't start this game as an ordinary townie; most probably a pro-town role.

I also know you're pretty good at this game.

Power-role + Louis: surely, you must have something more to add than suspicion about the CIA? I think the agency roles are neutrals and have been playing pro-town until now. Townies need to get rid of the mafia, they don't care about the respective agencies. There's only one Don remaining and it appears like he's all by himself.

ATPG is probably CIA, but town doesn't care about lynching agency guys; we need to get the mafia.

Maybe you, as FBI agent (?), need to get rid of the CIA, but townies only care about the mafia. I suggest you do the same until we have that final Don. If the game ends then, then it's all ok for town. If it doesn't, well, then town has already won and it's up to you agency guys to battle it out among yourselves.

Any info on 'khaan? How about Haudegen? Mafia or agency guys?

[Andres]

Townies need to focus. All this talk about agencies is smoke and mirrors and nothing but that and it distracts us from the town objectives.

Town objective: kill the mafia.

In the towns' interest, I'd like the discussion to be about who is mafia, not about who is a member of which agency and what are the interests of this or that agency. ATPG has offered us mafiosi on a silver plate in this game; I'd advocate not to lynch him because it would be a wasted lynch.

Focus on finding mafia.

[Chaotix]

Heading off for home in a moment, but I just wanted to say that Double A's post has raised a huge flag for me. If 'khaan is claiming CIA as well, then I am almost positive ATPG and 'khaan are playing us both. This is ATPG's explanation for why the vig hit on 'khaan didn't occur last night:



No action PMs from ANY of them? Despite the fact that all four have been reliable in the past? That's absurd. More likely ATPG didn't give them orders to kill 'khaan. That would mean ATPG is playing us and both he and 'khaan need to die immediately, and are a far higher priority than Haudegen who can be easily vig killed.

Please give us more info on this Double A.

I think Double A was referring to ATPG as the CIA, although I could be wrong. My understanding was that 'khaan was scum, but his choice to go through with the double lynch on CR and Sasaki- even though CR was scum as well- leads me to believe that my assumption could indeed be incorrect and that he might even be working with ATPG. Either way, he is most certainly anti-town and must die.

[Diana Abnoba]

As far as I know Khaan never claimed to be CIA, this is the 1st time I have heard this.

Also don't know if we have enough players left to VA kill, with the alive player pool down so low now, and most are Pro-town role who can't kill. (Doctors...)

All this confusion leads me to believe that we may have more players working for the mafia then we thought (may not be mades but helping them out anyway). One last back stab for kicks.

[gibsonsg91921]

That was an awesome way to die. I survived all of my RL friends!

[Andres]

askthepizzaguy, Caius, DoubleA, Haudegen, Joooray, Louis VI the Fat, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D.

ATPG, Louis/Prole and slashandburn are not mafia.

TinCow and Perestroika are playing pro-town.

TB is here for our entertainment and is pro-town.

That leaves us with:

Caius
DoubleA
Haudegen
Joooray
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
White_Eyes:D


One of them should be our remaining Don.

Can anyone work further on that list?

We don't need to do anymore vig kills, town just needs to find the remaining killer. We should treat this as regular small mafia, with a narrowed down list of suspects and tons of information from previous rounds.

[ULC]

I have a quick question - does my killing get me into the mafia rules ?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Townies need to focus. All this talk about agencies is smoke and mirrors and nothing but that and it distracts us from the town objectives.

Town objective: kill the mafia.

In the towns' interest, I'd like the discussion to be about who is mafia, not about who is a member of which agency and what are the interests of this or that agency. ATPG has offered us mafiosi on a silver plate in this game; I'd advocate not to lynch him because it would be a wasted lynch.

Focus on finding mafia.

Thank you. For the record, Shinseikhaan is not CIA... Tincow, I'm disappointed you would even suggest that. He attempted to kill off all the townies that worked with me, and tried to get me lynched several times. Also for the record, I sent orders to the vigilantes last night to target Khaan and none of them returned the order to me. That is a fact, and can be easily confirmed by any of them who are loyal to the town. Finally, they all know each other and I could NOT have prevented them from doing their task in the slightest if they so chose. Also, I have called for Haudegen and Khaan both to be lynched.

There's any number of problems with that theory, and if you are a Doctor, Tincow, then you know what my real allegiance is because I helped you become a doctor and I've shown you how to survive the rest of the game with the other doctors in a triad formation. Also you witnessed firsthand that I wasted my own power against Chaotix night after night just to do so, for no other purpose except to help the town.

The only question is whether Haudegen or Khaan is the Don. I need to double check the night action records. Split may have done a final "bleep you" to me and the town by pointing the finger at Haudegen. Let me check their investigation results on which night.

Also, it would be helpful if people came forward and claimed they did vigilante kills with either Khaan or Haudegen early in the game where my records aren't good.

Happy 10,000th post to me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Congrats on 10,000 pizza.

[Andres]

Congrats ATPG

[Sigurd]

I have been thinking and I believe Shinseikhaan is the last Don.

Evidence:
Investigated on night 8 and found guilty. The violin bow man killed glyphz.
Investigated on night 13 and found guilty while being director. No violin bow killer during that period.

I had to search for this but in my Capo II PM: (I don't know if we should even assume that this games follows the same game mechanics as Capo II)

1. If investigated by a Made Gangster or Detective, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” This is true even if you kill as part of a vigilante group. You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing while operating solo.

So from night 8 a solo killing Don (no family left) would be guilty. This guilty will not go away.

Seamus mistakenly sent out an innocent for Haudegen - but later changed it. Maybe his records on vig kills are a bit messy and he didn't catch Haudegen's vig kill. Well if Haudegen is the violin bow killer he would be the last Don and had a guilty result which Shinseikhaan did. I bet Seamus is tracking the big roles more carefully.
And then the lynch of CR and Sasaki... If shinseikhaan had let them go, he would have been promptly executed the next day in stead of Chaotix. And then the vig kills of tonight... I haven't seen any votes from them yet (It is taking a while to type this .. so this might not be true anymore) but they are waiting for the orders of their boss 'khaan. As long as votes are piling on Haudegen they can simply lay back and relax. Do you think Split who worked closely with 'khaan would rat on him? No - they pointed to the patsy - Haudegen.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ooo, now ATPG is going to have Tincow killed!

CR
(congrats on 10 grand, Pizzaguy)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Caius- Invisible, inactive, gave excuses for not playing.

DoubleA- protected people during the game.

Haudegen- still participating, but not voting. Sasaki seemed absolutely sure he knew that haudegen's results were wrong.

Joooray- performed vigilante kills against woad, Ichigo, DisgruntledGoat,

Shinseikhaan-

spL1tp3r50naL1ty- he's gone, Andres. Not active anymore.

White_Eyes:D[/QUOTE]- Proven to have done an investigation on someone, because the result was wrong on Sigurd's end and WE's end.

It seems to me your suspects do not include Double A, Split, or White Eyes.

Haudegen is indicated by his own inactivity and lack of discussion, and unusual circumstances involving him in multiple groups protecting Sigurd, involving Sasaki (mafia sympathizer) and LittleGrizzly (Don).

Shinseikhaan is indicated by the lack of Beretta killings while Director. This could have been done by Haudegen deliberately, or it could just be Khaan.

Caius.... I can't remember, but I thought he was not invisible last time I checked. And he never read my PMs. And he hasn't gotten WOG'ed yet after skipping most of the game. The unclear results don't match this theory, however.

[Diana Abnoba]

Congrats ATPG!

[White_eyes:D]

Sorry guys...I messed up

Along with everyone else in the Vig group....I knew last night would be the final night for Vig actions

The others didn't even send in there orders....but even if they did, YLC mucked everything up by killing Gib YLC...you are evil. I am now dancing on your grave

[TinCow]

I have been thinking and I believe Shinseikhaan is the last Don.

Evidence:
Investigated on night 8 and found guilty. The violin bow man killed glyphz.
Investigated on night 13 and found guilty while being director. No violin bow killer during that period.

I had to search for this but in my Capo II PM: (I don't know if we should even assume that this games follows the same game mechanics as Capo II)


So from night 8 a solo killing Don (no family left) would be guilty. This guilty will not go away.

Seamus mistakenly sent out an innocent for Haudegen - but later changed it. Maybe his records on vig kills are a bit messy and he didn't catch Haudegen's vig kill. Well if Haudegen is the violin bow killer he would be the last Don and had a guilty result which Shinseikhaan did. I bet Seamus is tracking the big roles more carefully.
And then the lynch of CR and Sasaki... If shinseikhaan had let them go, he would have been promptly executed the next day in stead of Chaotix. And then the vig kills of tonight... I haven't seen any votes from them yet (It is taking a while to type this .. so this might not be true anymore) but they are waiting for the orders of their boss 'khaan. As long as votes are piling on Haudegen they can simply lay back and relax. Do you think Split who worked closely with 'khaan would rat on him? No - they pointed to the patsy - Haudegen.

I thought about this a great deal on the way home and I completely agree with you. I've got another element to add to the mix as well, let me introduce you to their entire starting family:

'khaan - Don
GH - Luca
ATPG - Made

GH and ATPG admitted to killing together on Night 2. ATPG's excuse was that it was some amorphous special anti-communist killing. This doesn't fit for one reason: GH was a Luca. There is no way he would have gone along with a kill like that with someone who wasn't in his family simply because it was likely to get him lynched if it was found out (which it was, thanks to Kommodus). The only way GH would have made that kill was with his mafia partner: ATPG. ATPG has also admitted that pretty much every part of the role PM that he has sent to various people has been fabricated or copied from another role PM.

We're being played, and this needs to end. Haudegen is almost certainly a patsy, leave him alone. We need to lynch 'khaan first, followed by ATPG. We also need to elect one of the FBI to the Director spot to keep them alive.

Unvote; Vote: 'khaan
Unselect; Select: slashandburn

I urge everyone playing for a pro-town win to do the same.

[Double A]

I'm a doctor, through and through. I've protected people every night, even though I only actually saved one person. Every protection before and after that was inconclusive because my patient (that's what you'd call someone protected by a doctor right?) wasn't attacked.

And Kage mentioned after N3 that I was a doctor in one of his posts. It makes sense because he was the one who attacked me...

[Sigurd]

Evidence # 2

ATPG - You ordered your vig team to kill Shinseikhaan. Why did they not do as you ordered? HMMMM??

Could it be that they have been recruited? and are awaiting their Made status? If khaan does not die, I hope you have a detective to spare, to ,you know, see if khaan magically gets an innocent result for having a family again.

[Louis VI the Fat]

<< Reminder: I have replaced Proletariat on N16, in her full role >>


Vote: Haudegen
Select: Twilightblade

Slash and I removed Split last night. No secret about it - Slash and I are FBI.

It is a confusing end-game, and I have a lot of catching up to do. I have my thoughts, and some reservations too about the victory conditions of some players. Also, 'khaan could be the one don. But for the moment I will vote alongside my partner.


> Congrats on your 10.000th post, AtPG! Whatever your victory conditions may turn out to be, certainly you have given this game a lot of flavour, and provided us all with many an entertaining post elsewhere too!

> That Sigurd / YLC thingy was one of the coolest I've read in CAPO, or any mafia. Especially using the secretary's head as a hand puppet.

[Diana Abnoba]

I don't think Khaan is a Don, was investigated guilty, early in the game, wasn't he? Unless he can advance to Don if your Don is dead.

Best bet, if we can, is to lynch both Khaan and Haudegen, but I don't think we enough players to do this.

I also believe we have some night actions on Khaan that may be proven, don't think we have any or very few on Haudegen that can be proven. (backed up).

[Reenk Roink]

khaan is indeed CIA, and there is ONLY one CIA agent (this has been made clear ever since slashandburn's role PM which basically explicitly states this).

And yes Haudegen needs to be left alone.

I still want to know who protected Reenk on night 4

You weren't a good enough killer

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night twelve.

Woad, Khaan, Xehh, Tincow, and Joe Monks.... attacking El Diablo. Tincow and Joe never read the PM. Xehh was busy Number Five killing. Woad is dead. Khaan was busy that night.

LittleGrizzly Huddled in the sand, tucked low and tight against the wooden stairs leading down from the boardwalk onto the sands. Bullets zinged off the metal railing of the stairs or thudded into the sand nearby. Whoever the shooters were, they had some talent, so despite using Tommy guns they were doing a pretty good job of keeping him pinnned. Griz' did manage a few shots back with his pistol, but was certain he hadn't done more than make them duck...and he could only make one of them duck at a time. If they'd had a 4th shooter on the beach, he would already have been dead.

In between the quick, disciplined bursts that kept him pinned, LittleGrizzly heard a dull thud. The volume of fire grew less. A few moments later, he heard a brief scream, followed by the sight of a body being pitched over the railing of the boardwalk and out onto the sands. The body didn't move. Now the firing was even less, and it didn't seem to be directed at him. Griz thought he saw a quickl flash of something coppery in the light on the boardwalk, and then everything grew quiet. Slowly, he stood, just in time to see someone walk to the top of the steps.

"You okay," asked the man at the top of the stairs.

"Yeah," said LittleGrizzly, "I never expected to owe you my life, but thanks."

"You're welcome," said the man, as he shot LittleGrizzly with a tranquilizer dart. Griz looked up, incredulous and woozy, the drug already starting to rob him of consciousness.

"So, LittleGrizzly," said the stranger with a satisfied smile. "What's your favorite number?"

They found LittleGrizzzly's arms, legs, and head the next morning, sitting on the steps to a police precinct-house, carefully arranged to form the number five.

Xehh was busy killing LittleGrizzly

Tincow never read the PM and is NOT the beretta killer.

Joe Monks was inactive and is NOT the beretta killer.


Woad and Khaan were the other two who did this:

N12- At1- El Diablo- Xehh II+, woad&fangs+, Shinseikhaan+ Tincow Joe Monks

El Diablo was only a few steps from home and the quiet evening he had planned. A six-pack of beers from the tappy, along with the cheeseburger and fries (just beginning to grease through the brown bag in which he was carrying them) would take care of sustenance and he was one of the few with a television in his neighborhood.

The two Tommy gunners stepped out of his front door and onto his stoop, shattering his quiet reverie with long bursts of automatic fire. The beers dropped and smashed, along with the burger, as he quickly dove to the side, rolling towards the alley between his brownstone and the next.

It was his only obvious route of escape, and even as El Diablo ran up the alley he expected to encounter more gunfire. It would be hard to know whether the first two shooters or El Diablo were the most surprised when he failed to run into any obstacle at all, making a clean escape from the scene.

And that leaves the Beretta killer to do this:

spL1Tp3r50nality sat at the counter of the cafe, stirring yet another cube of sugar into his already sweetened tea. Though it wasn't raining, the night felt raw and he enjoyed the warmth of the sweet beverage. The counterman came over.

"Something to eat?"

Before he could respond to the counterman, a quick double sound came from just behind spL1t's ear. The counterman tumbled like a marionette with it's strings cut. Spl1T spun quickly on his stool. As he completed the turn, only to find himself staring into the muzzle of a small caliber Baretta, a heavy shot crashed out from the door to the storeroom.

This bullet missed Split's would-be executioner, but managed to clip the hammer of the small pistol as the killer moved the gun level to fire, rendering it inoperable. Two further shots slammed into the masked shooter, knocking him towards the door but failing to penetrate his armor or take him off his feet. Rather than continue a gunfight unarmed, the would-be executioner let himself stumble through the door and headed straight out into the night.

Split never got a good look at his savior, but had an interesting story to relate to Fermanagh's micks when they showed up in due course. A decent sort, spL1Tp3r50nality paid for his coffee before leaving.

This means that Khaan was busy doing something else that night.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Hmmm...in light of some alarming posts, I will:

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn

Get some FBI in the director seat.

FBI in this game is plain: we uphold the law by hunting mafia and commies. If you are a capitalist town player, your victory conditions are ours.

[White_eyes:D]

Vote: Haudegen
Select: Twilightblade

TINCOW look at this....We would have failed anyway no one sent in there orders....simply as that..

]I have no real problem with taking down Khaan. This will be the last vig action we get a chance for, though, so if anyone has any better ideas, speak up.

Sorry about my previous pm. I just realized that the night phase is already over so we are indeed not doing any vig action tonight.

If it really was the last time, it's definitely a shame.

I didn't get one off Gibeson though...

[TinCow]

Sorry guys...I messed up

Along with everyone else in the Vig group....I knew last night would be the final night for Vig actions

The others didn't even send in there orders....but even if they did, YLC mucked everything up by killing Gib YLC...you are evil. I am now dancing on your grave

You all reliably send in your orders every single other night, but then by remarkable coincidence ALL of you forget to send orders at the same time? The odds of that are positively astronomical. Since you're not blaming ATPG for not sending you orders, the only other logical option is that you've all been recruited, which means we're likely doomed. Still, I won't go down without a fight.

[Reenk Roink]

Hmmm...in light of some alarming posts, I will:

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn

Get some FBI in the director seat.

FBI in this game is plain: we uphold the law by hunting mafia and commies. If you are a capitalist town player, your victory conditions are ours.

This guy is an imposter from Quebec (not even really French). Kill him before/after khaan.

[Andres]

ATPG and GH killing together on N1 is indeed not speaking in ATPG's favour.

I'd go for 'khaan first, though.

Also, after doing some more checks, I believe Haudegen cannot be the violin killer. Joooray isn't the violin killer either.

Let's get 'khaan first.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG and GH killing together on N1 is indeed not speaking in ATPG's favour.

I'd go for 'khaan first, though.

Also, after doing some more checks, I believe Haudegen cannot be the violin killer. Joooray isn't the violin killer either.

Let's get 'khaan first.

That wasn't n1, that was after N1.

And Dons cannot do two-man kills.

Can you state your case why haudegen is relieved of guilt, and please comment on my above post with the N12 actions which seem to indicate that Khaan was elsewhere when the Beretta was used?

[Andres]

Hmmm...in light of some alarming posts, I will:

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn

Get some FBI in the director seat.

FBI in this game is plain: we uphold the law by hunting mafia and commies. If you are a capitalist town player, your victory conditions are ours.

You need to bold your votes. Don't edit your post, because a vote in an edited post doesn't count, as per the rules.

Just make a new post with bolded votes.

[seireikhaan]

Well, this is a bit puzzling. Everyone should already know why I have a guilty result-I helped kill Quintus J.C. on the first night. This was already revealed long ago. I killed along with White eyes, gibsons, and ACIN.

Never mind, of course, that I basically stomped on the mafia's nuts when I convinced them that I would let CR and Sasaki off scot free in the event of a double lynch, only to nail them both.

But whatever. If you guys really need me dead to satiate your paranoia, I still feel like the town's got the numbers to pull this off.

Also, Sigurd, I never worked with splitpersonality. That is why I told you via PM that I thought he could have been the don before pizza revealed he was in fact a communist.