So Who Isn't Apologizing for Pedos Today?

**rory_20_uk** · 10-02-2009, 09:57

Originally Posted by HoreTore

and you usually start with the pill around 17-19.

Not here you don't. 15 years is probably usual and 13 isn't exceptional any more.

**HoreTore** · 10-02-2009, 10:02

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Not here you don't. 15 years is probably usual and 13 isn't exceptional any more.

Sure you're not confusing it with when they start having sex?

Well, at least here people usually fool around with condoms and morning after pills for a year or two before they start with the pill.

Unless they're in a sexual relationship, that is.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-02-2009, 14:56

Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

I don't much care what language various religions use to confuse themselves and their followers, they must follow the law. The meaning of paedophilia in law is very clear for each country, and defined for them to understand and follow.

Oh, absolutely. However, just because you and I agree doesn't mean the Catholic Church sees things our way.

**Meneldil** · 10-02-2009, 19:17

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Oh, absolutely. However, just because you and I agree doesn't mean the Catholic Church sees things our way.

The only place where people care about what the Church thinks and sees should be the Vatican. Countries have laws, and each time the church decided to not abide to these laws, it ended up badly for her.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-02-2009, 19:43

Originally Posted by Meneldil

The only place where people care about what the Church thinks and sees should be the Vatican. Countries have laws, and each time the church decided to not abide to these laws, it ended up badly for her.

Perhaps, but then the Roman Church has also been criticised for capitulating to Nazi Germany and Facist Italy. So most people obviously expect them to make some independant moral judgements outside the law.

**HoreTore** · 10-02-2009, 22:55

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Perhaps, but then the Roman Church has also been criticised for capitulating to Nazi Germany and Facist Italy. So most people obviously expect them to make some independant moral judgements outside the law.

Because....

Hitler gained power legally....?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-02-2009, 23:38

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Because....

Hitler gained power legally....?

Um, yes, duly returned by popular vote.

**HoreTore** · 10-03-2009, 07:33

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Um, yes, duly returned by popular vote.

Yes, and after he won the election, he did what?

**econ21** · 10-03-2009, 09:10

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Um, yes, duly returned by popular vote.

I think it was a little more complicated and rather sadder than that. The Nazi's were actually losing votes when Hitler became Chancellor - their popular vote had fallen and perhaps the tide was beginning to turn. However, Hitler got the office because of the machinations of the Catholic Centre party, who formed a coalition with him. They persuaded the President that Hitler could be "controlled". Several of their lesser members were rewarded by being shot in the night of the long knives. The episode was summed up nicely by a contemporary cartoon - showing the centrists riding the Nazi tiger.