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    Does this mean they can finally release the modding tools...finally?

    That was my big hope, the promise that ETW would be the most moddable TW game of all time. If they release the modding tools, I think I finally might actually buy ETW. No promises on NTW though.
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    So they hyped and sold a product they were too embarrassed to give away to their friends?

    I need to get back to my wacom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    So they hyped and sold a product they were too embarrassed to give away to their friends?

    I need to get back to my wacom...

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    Disappointing, given the noted serious AI issues still there after 5 patches. No NTW for me, and I will have to take a "wait and see" approach with forthcoming titles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aimlesswanderer View Post
    Disappointing, given the noted serious AI issues still there after 5 patches. No NTW for me, and I will have to take a "wait and see" approach with forthcoming titles.
    This is the first Total War title I've not bought at launch. I've been waiting and seeing after feeling initially burnt on Rome and certainly on MTW2.

    It looks like it will remain unbought, which makes me pretty unhappy really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen Glyndwr View Post
    Does this mean they can finally release the modding tools...finally?

    That was my big hope, the promise that ETW would be the most moddable TW game of all time. If they release the modding tools, I think I finally might actually buy ETW. No promises on NTW though.
    crikey, so this explains why the ETW mod section is so empty and lifeless!

    i had no idea they still hadn't released the modding tools.......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    crikey, so this explains why the ETW mod section is so empty and lifeless!

    i had no idea they still hadn't released the modding tools.......................
    Actually, that's just kind of a peculiarity of the .org, TWcenter is apparently where the modding action is at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheogorath View Post
    Actually, that's just kind of a peculiarity of the .org, TWcenter is apparently where the modding action is at.
    Yeah, check it out. TWCenter usually has more mods anyways.
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    cheers guys.
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    Default Re: so they are done with major patches.

    I think it needs a patch to put back in what they seem to have taken out.

    Diplomacy is still not right and not working as well as it did when the game was released.

    Don’t get me wrong, 1.4 & 1.5 were improvements but having to basically kill a faction to make it a protectorate is silly. Some elements of the economy are restrictive and heavy handed. There are still things that are unenjoyable.

    They will never be perfect but they still need improvement.

    If the AI is functioning at less than half its potential why would anyone be satisfied with it?


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    Default Re: so they are done with major patches.

    The game is still a flip of the coin whether it will make it through the AI's turn or not after 1730 or so for me, in every campaign I've played. I don't pay to sit and try different saves to get past a AI turn CTD.

    "I think the game now meets my personal unreasonably high quality threshold"

    This is simply insulting for those who can't even make it to 1799, something that should probably be above anyones quality threshold you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    If the AI is functioning at less than half its potential why would anyone be satisfied with it?
    Well, here's what the cynic in me thinks. The pattern has been for CA to get two major releases, plus expansions, from each ground-up rewrite of the game engine. ETW is the first release of this new game engine. I don't think NTW counts as the next in the cycle, since it seems more like a major ETW modding project than a full release. CA may think they have two major game release cycles to really "get it right," with the first one (ETW) only being "good enough" to make some profit. With the large gamer market they're shooting for now, just providing flashy battle graphics is enough to sell a ton of games, and they have two full game cycles to work on optimizing the AI in this current game engine.

    I hope that's not the case... I hope someone over there at CA still cares about improving the current state of ETW. But game companies are driven by other concerns than just doing the best possible job on each release. At some point (if it hasn't happened already), they're going to have to pull the programmers off tweaks for ETW and put them on the next Project X after NTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    cheers guys.
    NP. And let me suggest, while we're at it, Imperial Splendour. It fixes a lot of the gameplay issues, mostly the 'generic unit syndrome' the game suffers from. They can't directly fix the AI, but they seem to have improved it a bit with new prices for things.

    @Fisherking
    I'm still not seeing 1.5 as an 'improvement'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheogorath View Post
    @Fisherking
    I'm still not seeing 1.5 as an 'improvement'.
    I am thinking that 1.4 may have been better then 1.5 excepting the chain shot. But we got too little time with it, it is hard to say.

    At any rate there are bugs in 1.5 I didn’t see before.

    It needs fixed and some of the items changed. It is odd that they have to change stuff that works and bust it and there is more I would say but It is still better than 1.2 & 1.3.
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