Europe

[Beskar]

Subotan, you are forgetting something, these people are basically nationalists. The fact we are a nation already means we are one now, and they don't care about some Europe as they only care about Britain (Furunculus) or they have some fantasy land ideal of the American dream (EMFM).

Furunculus's arguments are mainly based on the here and now of Britain, such as overall net benefits of Britain as a nation with pro's and con's. He generally sees Britain as a great nation, with a nato security seat, one of the top economies, etc and has a great pride in his nation. He sees Europe as this "foriegn tentacle monster" wanting to control his beloved nation, weakening it and have random people deciding policies and governance. His arguments for the situation are quite reasonable, as you cannot deny that Britain currently is in a very comfortable position in many aspects.


However, would you fully support a confederation, Furunculus? As in many ways, the EU is part of a confederation, not a federation. (In technical terms, it is some weird hybrid)

Taken from Wikipedia:

A confederation in modern political terms is a permanent union of sovereign states for common action in relation to other states.[1] Usually created by treaty but often later adopting a common constitution, confederations tend to be established for dealing with critical issues such as defense, foreign affairs, or a common currency, with the central government being required to provide support for all members.

The nature of the relationship among the states constituting a confederation varies considerably. Likewise, the relationship between the member states and the central government, and the distribution of powers among them, is highly variable. Some looser confederations are similar to intergovernmental organizations, while tighter confederations may resemble federations.

Off-topic:

why should i care how it formed, what matters is that it works now.

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