Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[Andres]

No, say investigators.

CR

What investigators? Town investigators or mafia investigators?

My night actions are investigating. Certainly, the First Mate job description does not say 'supernatural creature with a bewitched thunderbus'. Obviously, this is some sort of special role. The 'Pirate Tale' killer I assume is the last maven. Two have been killed, the last can kill on his own. So the single kills are not me. Duh.

The First mate can kill alone. There have been nights with more than one solo killer. Can someone who is not CR or ATPG confirm that you have not been killing?

I hope you will be revealed to be either English or some sort of anti-officer role, Andres. Or else I just can't figure out what is up with you this game. To think that so many times have I tried to prove your innocence, both in this thread and in PM's to people. You have even been in all my wills from day one.

You didn't buy me flowers.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, we're only looking for mavens?

Not interested in the British agents?

You're better than this, Andres. Why do you wish to prevent discussion on who the final Maven is?

We can do that and look for British agents too.

[Yaropolk]

The First mate can kill alone. There have been nights with more than one solo killer. Can someone who is not CR or ATPG confirm that you have not been killing?

I can confirm I have second hand knowledge (not from CR/ATPG/LTF) that CR and LTF are townies.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I considered you an ally against ATPG, who I still want removed from office.

What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.

Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.

[Beskar]

In fact, I'm getting bad vibes from Louis since the beginning of the game, something about him sounds 'off'

As a Belgian, you naturally hate his French ways.

[TinCow]

What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.

Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.

Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy...

[Beskar]

I select: TinCow for Queen, I mean, Captain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy...

You usually offer more substance in your responses than that.

Do you have anything to offer to the discussion besides this?

[TinCow]

You usually offer more substance in your responses than that.

Do you have anything to offer to the discussion besides this?

Sure. When it comes to you, I definitely want you gone from office. I've never tried to hide that and I have expressed myself publicly and privately about my reasons for it. My opinions haven't changed from the start. I don't trust you, and I won't work with you. The fact that you have wormed your way into the leadership with the scummiest methodology I've ever seen has only served to undermine my trust in the leadership.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Chaotix

Looking back over his posts it seems he has simply been refusing to make any enemies and is going with the flow. We start here where he joins the Lord Winter bandwagon for no reason at all and then, when it becomes apparent that Lord Winter isn’t going to be lynched, he moves to the Sigurd bandwagon, again without any reasoning at all.
Following this, we then get this post from Chaotix where he says a lot, but absolutely nothing at all and makes a random pressure vote whilst ignoring the major lynch targets. Then he throws in the following [frankly, quite bizarre] suggestion:

So he advocates the killing of two people if they don’t leave, which would make sense if he somehow knew they weren’t on his side... The town gains nothing from the wanton killing of townies and to advocate otherwise is lunacy.

In the next day phase we get a vote for mutiny here with no apparent reasoning and perhaps a wanton misunderstanding of what the special abilities of the Captain-appointed roles are. This post, put up only shortly after the above one serves to sow disunity amongst the town. He ignores the fact that CR, by becoming Captain, would have made himself the prime target of every detective in the game. Finally, he retracted his vote for mutiny 4 hours later, saying:

Trying to stop a bandwagon after already being involved in one earlier is hypocritical, but that’s not a huge thing. The last sentence seems strange however and smells like an attempt to make it seem he was trying to set a trap for the mafia to vote with him for mutiny. Further, he voted for ricera without any real explanation.
When you add to that his recent abstention you get the sense that he is simply trying to avoid making enemies and he is trying not to say too much at all. So I would like two things from Chaotix:
1) An explanation for all your votes thus far I the game.
2) Your thoughts on who is suspicious and needs to be lynched.

Until then I can’t help but think you aren’t working for the Town.

Finally, things are getting interesting for me.

Ok, so first, you want an explanation of my votes. The first few votes I made were pure and simple nonsense votes. I will not deny that. I'm more busy now than I was during Capo, and so I don't have as much time to devote to the game. Instead of just being inactive the whole time, I try to pop in at least once per phase, and if I'm not feeling the suspicion, make a vote either on intuition, or on a bandwagon, or on anyone I like just because I am feeling funny at the moment.

The mutiny vote was because I was convinced that CR wasn't doing his job right. And by the way, at the time of the last day phase CR had not been investigated at all. This was all but confirmed to me by his officers, when they tried to get me to retract my mutiny. And, as you can see, it worked for them. I got just about a full explanation of what's been going on, and that CR's really been doing the best he can but nobody feels like listening to him right about now. So I figured I'd give them a couple of nights to see if they wind up actually finding any mafia, and if they hadn't I'd start crying for mutiny again. So I decided to follow ATPG's lead on ricera. For now, they've got the benefit of the doubt from me, and I'd like to say that the investigators should really start "following orders" instead of "taking suggestions".

As for who I think is suspicious... Sasaki. Sasaki and TinCow are setting up these vigilante groups that are only getting townies killed, they are in direct defiance of the Captain and have been killing players confirmed innocent before their deaths. Either he feels like going against the established methods for finding mafia in order to make the game harder on all of us, or he is mafia. If CR isn't going to do something about him, then he's going to have to be lynched.

Unvote, Vote: Sasaki

I'm sure this will make me an enemy or two, CA. I wonder if Sasaki will get his group to kill me for this.

[Yaropolk]

Lynching Kojiro-San is always a safe bet! Vote Sasaki

[Chaotix]

Lynching Kojiro-San is always a safe bet! Vote Sasaki

I think, sir, you have voted too soon. The bandwagon has not even started yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sure. When it comes to you, I definitely want you gone from office. I've never tried to hide that and I have expressed myself publicly and privately about my reasons for it. My opinions haven't changed from the start. I don't trust you, and I won't work with you. The fact that you have wormed your way into the leadership with the scummiest methodology I've ever seen has only served to undermine my trust in the leadership.

The leadership exists only as such when people choose to follow. The titular heads of this ship have barely any influence unless people sit on their butts and do nothing but follow. My being quartermaster shouldn't affect your play in the slightest if you were so concerned about the town winning. Being in this position stems from being conclusively proven NOT to be scum by the watchstanders, and while in office I cannot become scum. And, if we had it set up so a person was lying about my innocence, my so-called "scummiest methodology" will only serve to get me checked by any investigators who don't believe that I am innocent.

In short, I don't buy your explanation. And I don't think you're that bad a player to not be able to do two things at once, like discuss actual suspects for being British, in addition to campaigning for my head. I don't see a whole lot of that from you. And even if you thought I were one of them, you'd know it would get conclusively proven in short order, and you'd discuss other possible suspects. Where is the analysis?

I've seen you make devastatingly insightful posts in games where there is no detective whatsoever, amongst a sea of basic townies. I know what you're capable of, and it's much better than this. Given everything you've said and done, I honestly hope you're working for a personal victory or mafia victory.

That being said, I do not think you are scum, and it's better for the team effort if I not focus solely on you. I'm just registering my disappointment, disapproval and dismay.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I personally investigated Pizza. Thee tiers. He was squaky clean.


Vote: A Very Super Market

- Scummy name for a pirate.
- Has 'Melancholic swashbuckler' for a title. (Sad to see his two Maven buddies go?)
- He's on the 'Maven' list
- Visited Sigurd's personal page
- Has barely posted since Sigurd and Gibson were killed
- His posts sound scummy:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/searc...earchid=238621

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can't post a link to a search; it's broken for everyone besides you I believe.

But will re-examine his posts.


-edit-

After review; Meh... standard AVSM, to me. That's not to say he is or he isn't scum, but his posts aren't out of the norm for him.

[White_eyes:D]

I would love to hear from myself as well, but school takes up a bit of time.

I was in the protection group, not Sasaki's.

Louis and this post, just convinced me....It would match the "fake protection group" I was thinking of I recall it was two other people who confirmed it too...

I could be wrong....but I like this the best so far...so, Vote:AVSM

[Beskar]

Vote: AVSM

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:AVSM

[slashandburn]

Louis's case seems reasonable but so does arach's. Vote:AVSM until otherwise convinced.

[TinCow]

In short, I don't buy your explanation. And I don't think you're that bad a player to not be able to do two things at once, like discuss actual suspects for being British, in addition to campaigning for my head. I don't see a whole lot of that from you. And even if you thought I were one of them, you'd know it would get conclusively proven in short order, and you'd discuss other possible suspects. Where is the analysis?

Why do people like Sasaki and Reenk get a free pass on hammering people for nothing more than gut instinct, yet for me it counts as laziness? You are a danger to the town. I know it. I'm not going to give up, nor am I going to stop.

I guarantee everyone, if ATPG remains in office the town will lose. I look forward to saying "I told you so" when the game is over.

[Subotan]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/searc...earchid=238621

Your link is dead.

Whoops, I'm a bit slow on the uptake. Could you quote that in the thread?

[Tratorix]

Yay, another officer led bandwagon based on virtually nothing!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do people like Sasaki and Reenk get a free pass on hammering people for nothing more than gut instinct, yet for me it counts as laziness?

Because even when you do hammer people on nothing more than gut instinct, it eventually leads to an analysis of candidates and suspects... and you usually have more than one suspect in your brain. And it usually doesn't involve someone vouched for as innocent by no less than four people. I've actually lost count.

You are a danger to the town. I know it. I'm not going to give up, nor am I going to stop.

Because I am an obstacle to your personal victory?

I guarantee everyone, if ATPG remains in office the town will lose.

I am so powerful as to ensure the death of the entire town. Interesting. Even with you left alive as a counterbalance? Even more interesting.

You're full of something, TinCow.

I look forward to saying "I told you so" when the game is over.

Me first.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

'Cuz.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Yaseikhaan

Stellar analysis.

[A Very Super Market]

I personally investigated Pizza. Thee tiers. He was squaky clean.


Vote: A Very Super Market

- Scummy name for a pirate. Yeah, you got me there
- Has 'Melancholic swashbuckler' for a title. (Sad to see his two Maven buddies go?) Been like that for ages
- He's on the 'Maven' list Yes, with a lot of people
- Visited Sigurd's personal page Yes, with a lot of people
- Has barely posted since Sigurd and Gibson were killed Yes, with a lot of people
- His posts sound scummy: I always sound scummy
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/searc...earchid=238621

Vote: slashandburn
At least the others realize it's a baseless bandwagon. Why are you so eager to seem like you're actually thinking?

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Yaseikhaan

Stellar analysis.

I'm busy and tired and not getting online as much as I used to.

Also,

Just 'cuz.

[Louis VI the Fat]

baseless

What have you been up to then? Been protecting people?



Also - I am slowly begining to think that some players are required by role to be anti-officer. I can understand analysis. Or gut feeling. But the persistence of Andres against me, and of Tincow against Pizza I just don't understand.
Why the outspoken, absolute conviction, repeated over and over again, that the First Mate (Andres), or QM (Tincow) will mean the utter ruin of the town? There does seem to be an ulterior motive at work.

[Subotan]

Louis and this post, just convinced me....It would match the "fake protection group" I was thinking of I recall it was two other people who confirmed it too...

I could be wrong....but I like this the best so far...so, Vote:AVSM

For the record, that "Fake protection group" was one I and three over people were in. So unless you define "fake" as meaning "real", your logic is screwy at best, and suspicious at worst.

[TinCow]

Because even when you do hammer people on nothing more than gut instinct, it eventually leads to an analysis of candidates and suspects... and you usually have more than one suspect in your brain. And it usually doesn't involve someone vouched for as innocent by no less than four people. I've actually lost count.

If you're so sure you're not a threat, just step down from the position. Why is that so difficult? Surely there are other people who have been investigated and found innocent. Why do you have to be the one in that spot?