Iranian official blames deadly bombing on 'U.S. actions'

[Dâriûsh]

Seriously though, anyone care to guess where Iranian agents will detonate a retaliatory car bomb?


Saudi Arabia or Pakistan? Then we will know who Iran REALLY suspects of pulling this off. Heck, I'll wager that if no car bomb explodes in Iran’s neighbourhood (not counting Iraq, car bombs always explode there) in the next few days or weeks, it was an inside job, and they will use it as a pretext to make some local Baluchis disappear.

[HoreTore]

I doubt Hore, if I may use his first name, has seen many Afghans if he thinks they're nearly black.

They're certainly on the brown end of the colour scale, also known as the "nobody cares"-end.

Quoted for truth. Race and Language aren't involved at specifically. It's just that natural us/them that arises between radically different peoples. Especially when those peoples are at war.

Fine, substitute it with "general üntermenschen" then.

1- afghans are not nearly black......
2.- i sincerely doubt that race is the factor
3- if anything i think it is because of self-interest as someone said above people obviously care more about their own families and countries than other peoples.
4- just because we dont care as much doesnt mean we care.

So.... You honestly believe that the US would've waged their war the same way if it was done on US soil, among US citizens?

Until the US starts waging war is if it was among their own citizens, they won't ever win the war in Afghanistan. Period. And that's actually something the new high commander has figured out... Oh well, it was only 8 years too late...

[Banquo's Ghost]

Afghans are just like us. The speak a predominantly Indo-Aryan languages, have white features and are monotheists. The difference is that they are hillbillies and we want to make them stop playing the banjo and beating their women. Some US soldiers probably have more in common with them than you think.

I don't see Afghans as all that different, just more removed from functional, progressive society. We are here to forcibly escort them to the party. It's ironic that we are there to force them to be in control of their destinies

And ironically, they are resisting the dragging as forcibly as the Americans resisted attempts by the British to include them in a "functional, progressive society". They appear to view imperialism with the same jaundiced view as the colonials - only they have had to fight off several more empires.

Yes, indeed - more in common than you think.

[Hax]

The difference is that they are hillbillies and we want to make them stop playing the banjo and beating their women.

Who's pickin' the banjer 'ere?

[ICantSpellDawg]

And ironically, they are resisting the dragging as forcibly as the Americans resisted attempts by the British to include them in a "functional, progressive society". They appear to view imperialism with the same jaundiced view as the colonials - only they have had to fight off several more empires.

Yes, indeed - more in common than you think.

We've got plenty in common, yes.

You believe that the American Revolution is on a parallel with the Afghan conflict? I don't remember American Colonials bombing Harrods in London and then shooting one another for wearing make-up.

You can equate any conflict with any other conflict. There tends to be one larger power fighting a smaller power, all things being unequal.

[HoreTore]

I don't remember American Colonials bombing Harrods in London

No, but I can certainly remember some colonials horribly torturing and killing unsuspecting and innocent British soldiers.

Also, the tactics are similar, being a guerilla war. Washington fought a battle of attrition to wear down the english willingness to hold the colonies and avoid larger battles, the Taliban are doing the same thing...

[Vladimir]

No, but I can certainly remember some colonials horribly torturing and killing unsuspecting and innocent British soldiers.

Also, the tactics are similar, being a guerilla war. Washington fought a battle of attrition to wear down the english willingness to hold the colonies and avoid larger battles, the Taliban are doing the same thing...

[AlexanderSextus]

to make sure they dont skip class and smoke weed

I remember reading a story one of our soldiers wrote that said you could smell ganja before you could even see the town you were going to because they grew so much weed there.

There is a reason we have weed here called "afghani kush"

[Centurion1]

So.... You honestly believe that the US would've waged their war the same way if it was done on US soil, among US citizens?

no would be totally different war and the two cannot be equated. Find a different example.


as to what you said earlier i wouldnt say no one cares about brown people. im sure the billion odd Indians care about themselves. and the two billion or so Asians care about themselves.

[HoreTore]

no would be totally different war and the two cannot be equated. Find a different example.


as to what you said earlier i wouldnt say no one cares about brown people. im sure the billion odd Indians care about themselves. and the two billion or so Asians care about themselves.

Fail.

Try again.

[Vladimir]

Fail.

Try again.

Do you mean like this post:

No, but I can certainly remember some colonials horribly torturing and killing unsuspecting and innocent British soldiers.

Also, the tactics are similar, being a guerilla war. Washington fought a battle of attrition to wear down the english willingness to hold the colonies and avoid larger battles, the Taliban are doing the same thing...

You sound like an American. I can imagine George W. [Bush] running around screaming like a camel gunner while militia burn a girls school and he chops the fingers off someone for smoking.

[HoreTore]

You sound like an American. I can imagine George W. [Bush] running around screaming like a camel gunner while militia burn a girls school and he chops the fingers off someone for smoking.

So, let's see...

1. Washington favoured big engagements with the British.
2. The Taliban favour big engagements with the enemy.
3. The Taliban is a standing national army, not a Guerilla army.
4. Washington won the revolution because he had killed every single british soldier, not because the british were unwilling to spend any more resources on fighting the revolution.
5. The Taliban's strategy is to beat NATO in a conventional war, they are trying to beat us, not make us withdraw our troops.

Yeah, that sounds about right....

[Vladimir]

This thread isn't about a history lesson on the American Revolution. Read up on the Continental Army when you have a chance. Also, look up all the conventional battles (i.e. madness) they fought against the British.

[Dâriûsh]

Seriously though, anyone care to guess where Iranian agents will detonate a retaliatory car bomb?


Saudi Arabia or Pakistan? Then we will know who Iran REALLY suspects of pulling this off.

Brigadier killed in Pakistan ambush.

Not a car bomb, but hey.

Guess who. Taliban? Or Iran?



Though perhaps in this case it actually was the Taliban.

Edit:

Heck, I'll wager that if no car bomb explodes in Iran’s neighbourhood (not counting Iraq, car bombs always explode there) in the next few days or weeks, it was an inside job, and they will use it as a pretext to make some local Baluchis disappear.

Iran arrests three over bomb blast.

[Vladimir]

Brigadier killed in Pakistan ambush.

Not a car bomb, but hey.

Guess who. Taliban? Or Iran?



Though perhaps in this case it actually was the Taliban.

Edit:





Iran arrests three over bomb blast.

Wow. Thanks.

[Centurion1]

So, let's see...

1. Washington favoured big engagements with the British.
2. The Taliban favour big engagements with the enemy.
3. The Taliban is a standing national army, not a Guerilla army.
4. Washington won the revolution because he had killed every single british soldier, not because the british were unwilling to spend any more resources on fighting the revolution.
5. The Taliban's strategy is to beat NATO in a conventional war, they are trying to beat us, not make us withdraw our troops.

Yeah, that sounds about right....

Fail.

Try Again.

well hmm lets look at some of the differences shall we????

1. the americans didnt behead anyone they managed to capture.
2. The americans did not torture their own people before the war
3. the american civil war was fought 200 odd years before the afghani conflict
4. The taliban were the governemnet before the invasion. American was not its own nation.
5. American wanted economic freedom (and liberty), the taliban want a return to 14th century islam......complete with beheadings and stonings.
6. Americans did not hate the British...... we were british for the most part. The taliban HATE America

[HoreTore]

well hmm lets look at some of the differences shall we????

1. the americans didnt behead anyone they managed to capture.
2. The americans did not torture their own people before the war
3. the american civil war was fought 200 odd years before the afghani conflict
4. The taliban were the governemnet before the invasion. American was not its own nation.
5. American wanted economic freedom (and liberty), the taliban want a return to 14th century islam......complete with beheadings and stonings.
6. Americans did not hate the British...... we were british for the most part. The taliban HATE America

The Don better start posting again, I'm starting to lose my respect for Americans.

[Vladimir]

The Don better start posting again, I'm starting to lose my respect for Americans.

Did you have any to begin with?

[Furunculus]

The Don better start posting again, I'm starting to lose my respect for Americans.

and does it matter to anyone if you don't?

[Decker]

The Don better start posting again, I'm starting to lose my respect for Americans.

You're funny

Dâriûsh - Thanks for the links. Interesting stuff in there.

Some tidbits from the BBC on several Iranian news agencies commenting on the terrorist acts. It would have been better to have the whole articles but eh. It's nothing new really. Just babble imo

[Centurion1]

Why dont you explain to me why the revolutionary war and the invasion of Afghanistan are the same exact thing? Are there anyyyyyy differences? Please use your superior european intellect to educate my feeble american mind on things i dont know anything about.

[HoreTore]

Why dont you explain to me why the revolutionary war and the invasion of Afghanistan are the same exact thing? Are there anyyyyyy differences? Please use your superior european intellect to educate my feeble american mind on things i dont know anything about.

I have never in my life said that the two wars are the same, nor has anyone else. Banqou stated that there are similarities, and I certainly agree.

How you are not able to grasp that difference is beyond me, but it's certainly not something you can blame on your nationality, sorry.

Did you have any to begin with?

Of course I have. Unlike some people, I am not a fan of grouping people, I see no sense in judging people based on nationality or whatever.

and does it matter to anyone if you don't?

No, why should it?

[Centurion1]

I have never in my life said that the two wars are the same, nor has anyone else. Banqou stated that there are similarities, and I certainly agree.

How you are not able to grasp that difference is beyond me, but it's certainly not something you can blame on your nationality, sorry.

yeah sure there are similarities but they are an essentially different war. There are similarities between all wars. If there is any war you could really compare this too it would be Vietnam.

And yes i could easily blame something of this sort on my nationality. Of course the average person wants to believe the best of his or her country and is probably going to be unwilling to compare their war for independence with the war in afghanistan.

[HoreTore]

yeah sure there are similarities but they are an essentially different war. There are similarities between all wars. If there is any war you could really compare this too it would be Vietnam.

So... With that statement made, why did you go mental over Banqou's(and my) claim that there are similarities between the american independence war and the war in afghanistan?

And yes i could easily blame something of this sort on my nationality. Of course the average person wants to believe the best of his or her country and is probably going to be unwilling to compare their war for independence with the war in afghanistan.

There's no excuse for being blinded by nationalism.

But hey, if you didn't want your independence war compared to other wars, how 'bout.... Not waging war to gain independence, and gain it through diplomacy instead?

[Centurion1]

But hey, if you didn't want your independence war compared to other wars, how 'bout.... Not waging war to gain independence, and gain it through diplomacy instead?

how about we attempted that? How about even while at war we attempted that? how about we used war as a last resort? How about the British were not going to negotiate with colonists?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

But hey, if you didn't want your independence war compared to other wars, how 'bout.... Not waging war to gain independence, and gain it through diplomacy instead?

It wasn't practical to do so at the time. It was tried, and it failed.

[Decker]

Is it me or was this thread a joke from the beginning?

[Vladimir]

One ludicrous claim devolves into another. It's the way of things.

[Azathoth]

This article is somewhat relevant and you should read it.

http://www.americanheritage.com/arti...1971_4_6.shtml

[Vladimir]

Britain, on the eve of that war, was the greatest empire since Rome. Never before had she known such wealth and power; never had the future seemed so bright, the prospects so glowing.

Shackled by debt, suffering war exhaustion from yet another war against France.

I have a real problem with the facts this guy presents. There was no Great Britain during the American Revolution, but he doesn't use the word "great" so I'll let him slide on that one. He's no doubt confusing this "Britain" with one of a much later age. The rest of the article may be good but it starts off poorly.