Shooting At Ft.Hood

[Andres]

Is that not putting it backwards? Is the question not how a US army officer became a mass murderer?

(Or, as Idaho stated so snappishly, an unconventional mass murderer?)

Ok, I'll rephrase: What selection procedures allow a potential mass murderer to pass and become an officer?

[KukriKhan]

Ok, I'll rephrase: What selection procedures allow a potential mass murderer to pass and become an officer?

For the record: US Army doctors are hired and managed separately from other officers (infantry, armor, cavalry, etc.). So are Army lawyers. The doc's and lawyers start out as Captains, unlike infantry guys who start as 2nd lieutenants.

To directly answer your question: the selection procedures are managed by guys just like him (army doc's; including army psychiatrists). He and his fellow army shrinks monitor and treat the wider population of soldiers. But who monitors and treats the guys who monitor and treat? That link apparently got skipped/overlooked.

[Vuk]

Interesting article...

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

I am sure that religion had nothing to do with it.
The guys loyalties obviously lay elsewhere. He should not have been in the military. It is not (as far as I am aware) a crime to not support US wars (and shouldn't be either), but it is the job of the military to fight those wars. If you do not support them, or are not willing to do your duty, you should be kicked out. Of course then they would be facing charges of discrimination...

[Vuk]

Allah Akbar!
Definately NOT religious!

[KukriKhan]

Apparently, HERE is where he (Hasan) actually worked.

Mission

The Mission of the Resilience and Restoration Center (R&R Center) is to provide outpatient psychological and consultation services as appropriate to maintain the mental health of active-duty personnel. The R&R Center is staffed with active-duty and civilian professional staff including psychiatrists, psychiatric nurse practitioners, clinical psychologists, licensed professional counselors, social workers, and psychology technicians.

Warrior Combat Stress Reset Camp: 2-week intensive outpatient treatment program incorporating alternative treatment approaches for treatment of moderate to severe post traumatic stress symptoms

Just speculating here: maybe he flipped out after taking care of so many guys who had either themselves flipped out, or were about to.

[al Roumi]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/am...042388762.html

"The suspect has been named as Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old army psychiatrist.

"He became a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington ... where he counselled soldiers coming back from war.

"Every day, he heard how horrible those stories were and he really started to question the wars, according to what his cousin and sources who knew him said.

"Hasan became more devout in his religion and started arguing with soldiers about whether the wars were right or not, to the point where he received disciplinary action and negative work reviews.


"He was transferred to the medical facility here at Fort Hood, where apparently these feelings continued.

"It raises a major question - how can a person responsible for the mental health of soldiers returning [from war] be allowed to continue in this profession when he has these kinds of questions himself?"

The wider repercussions of this are very troubling, as evidenced by the posts of the more rabid crazies on this forum.

[Vuk]

More than one soldier report that. Guy DEFINITELY was not religiously motivated. Glad all you intellectuals established that for me.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

My condolences and prayers are with the families of those killed in this attack. As of this morning, the media is reporting 13 dead and 30 injured to varying degrees. The lone attacker was, apparently, shot 4 times by a female civilian security officer and is listed in critical but stable condition. Whether Maj. Hasan will survive or not is uknown at present.

MRD: You are quite right, assuming Maj. Hasan did what has been alleged (and there is little doubt), he qualifies for the full Danny Deever treatment. Like you, however, I suspect that it will not happen.

Now, a little note Ex Moderatica:

All of you WILL discuss this in a relatively controlled and polite manner or the thread will cease and the infractions will fly. You are all well aware of the potential contentiousness of some of the issues this incident raises, so please exercise caution.

[Andres]

Yes, Vuk, he yelled "Allah Akhbar".

Thank you for giving us conclusive evidence that this man was not just a crazy nutjob, but a Muslim crazy nutjob.

He was also a doctor.

I blame studying medicin for what happened. Rory should be locked up. After all 43 people got shot by a doctor and he's a doctor. Maybe you should kick all doctors out of your country. And let's ban GTA while we're at it. Just talking about such measures make me feel safer already.[/sarcasm]

[Vuk]

Yes, Vuk, he yelled "Allah Akhbar".

Thank you for giving us conclusive evidence that this man was not just a crazy nutjob, but a Muslim crazy nutjob.

He was also a doctor.

I blame studying medicin for what happened. Rory should be locked up. After all 43 people got shot by a doctor and he's a doctor. Maybe you should kick all doctors out of your country. And let's ban GTA while we're at it. Just talking about such measures make me feel safer already.[/sarcasm]

Andres, that is a phrase used by Jihadists to strike fear into their enemies hearts. You think that that is not evidence that he is a Jihadist?

EDIT: His height, medical study, etc are pretty irrelevant as motivations I think. There is no positive evidence that they motivated him, but there is evidence that his religion did. He did not scream "DOCTORS RULE!", He screamed "ALLAH AKHBAR!". That is what is what we know is relevant. He is a Jihadist. Don't you think that is important? Esp considering his past?

[al Roumi]

Andres, that is a phrase used by Jihadists to strike fear into their enemies hearts. You think that that is not evidence that he is a Jihadist?

Nonsense. Do you know what "Allahu Akbar" means?? God is great.

It is used in normal, daily speech as a phrase to explain gratefulness, pleasure and surprise.

The reason people might find it fearful is the context in which it is used by those ready to use violence: to at once justify a violent action and also surrender their fates to the whim of god.

Saying Allahu akbar before entering combat or whatever is like praying for god to be on your side -and to judge you fairly.

Your comment would mean that western armies are fanatical and scary for having Chaplins and conducting services before a mission.

[Fragony]

Andres, that is a phrase used by Jihadists to strike fear into their enemies hearts. You think that that is not evidence that he is a Jihadist?

Jihadists are a little bit smarter than this they don't tell their knowologues that they are cracking, this was a loon and it was terrible, but there really isn't anything more to it.