Child dies due to faith healing; parents get 6 months of jail time

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You said "Paradigm". There are about a billion things named "Paradigm" in the world, and yes, it's also another word for "fable".

Anyway, I really don't care. I know you're just trying to be clever, but that's the very thing making me very uninterested.

Well I'm not trying to be clever, and you obviously do care because you're in the thread.

Look at it this way, modern Medicine is the current Paradigm, 500 years ago the Paradigm was the diametric opposite. So, should they have sent people to gaol for using anasethic back then?

[HoreTore]

Well I'm not trying to be clever, and you obviously do care because you're in the thread.

Look at it this way, modern Medicine is the current Paradigm, 500 years ago the Paradigm was the diametric opposite. So, should they have sent people to gaol for using anasethic back then?

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Fail?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

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Fail?

Answer the question? Would it have been right for the authorities of the time, based on the best available evidence, to punish people for using anasthetic?

[HoreTore]

Answer the question? Would it have been right for the authorities of the time, based on the best available evidence, to punish people for using anasthetic?

Uhm................ No. Modern medicine isn't just a "paradigm", modern medicine is an actual and proven way to save peoples lives. Prayer isn't.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Uhm................ No. Modern medicine isn't just a "paradigm", modern medicine is an actual and proven way to save peoples lives. Prayer isn't.

That's exactly what they said 500 years ago as well. They executed people for using anasthetic back then, by the way.

My point is this, people should not be punished for holding a belief and then acting upon it, so long as they act in good faith. Clearly, these parents were responsible for the welfare of their child and they failed specacularly. However, punishing them for doing what they believed to be right is pointless, and therefore clruel and vindictive.

They need to be educated and there's precious little education to be had in prison.

[Viking]

That's exactly what they said 500 years ago as well. They executed people for using anasthetic back then, by the way.

My point is this, people should not be punished for holding a belief and then acting upon it, so long as they act in good faith. Clearly, these parents were responsible for the welfare of their child and they failed specacularly. However, punishing them for doing what they believed to be right is pointless, and therefore clruel and vindictive.

They need to be educated and there's precious little education to be had in prison.

They didn't live their entire lives in a remote forest, did they?

[HoreTore]

That's exactly what they said 500 years ago as well. They executed people for using anasthetic back then, by the way.

Who cares what they said 500 years ago? People were ignored SoB's back then, who gives a what they were thinking? The bottom line remains the same; doctors save people. Priests bury them.

My point is this, people should not be punished for holding a belief and then acting upon it, so long as they act in good faith. Clearly, these parents were responsible for the welfare of their child and they failed specacularly. However, punishing them for doing what they believed to be right is pointless, and therefore clruel and vindictive.

They need to be educated and there's precious little education to be had in prison.

Viking put it brilliantly.

And yes, I do believe that these people belong in jail, for all the reasons we normally put people in jail for. First off, they killed their child. It didn't "die", it was murdered. Secondly, we as a society needs to give out the message that "No, killing off your child because of your backwater beliefs are NOT ok!". We need to make sure that this will never, ever happen again. Every lunatic parent out there should be forced to realize that they are responsible for any offspring in their care, and that refusal to seek medical care will be met with consequences.

This isn't about these two idiots. This is about the innocent children unlucky enough to be bred by such people. They need protection from parents like these, just like they need protection from parents who beat them every time they come home from the pub.

This is torture of innocent children. And there's simply no excuse for it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Who cares what they said 500 years ago? People were ignored SoB's back then, who gives a what they were thinking? The bottom line remains the same; doctors save people. Priests bury them.

They were very clever 500 years ago, they made the best decisions based on the available evidence. The point is very imprtant, because in 500 years someone may try to call you a "ingored SoB". Take a moment to consider this.

Viking put it brilliantly.

And yes, I do believe that these people belong in jail, for all the reasons we normally put people in jail for. First off, they killed their child. It didn't "die", it was murdered. Secondly, we as a society needs to give out the message that "No, killing off your child because of your backwater beliefs are NOT ok!". We need to make sure that this will never, ever happen again. Every lunatic parent out there should be forced to realize that they are responsible for any offspring in their care, and that refusal to seek medical care will be met with consequences.

This isn't about these two idiots. This is about the innocent children unlucky enough to be bred by such people. They need protection from parents like these, just like they need protection from parents who beat them every time they come home from the pub.

This is torture of innocent children. And there's simply no excuse for it.

Maybe you don't have the concept of mens rea in Norway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea Thankfully we have it in England and the US. Murder requires a very specific mens rea, unless you can demonstrate that it's just manslaughter.

Stop trying to cloud the issue with emotive language.