Arverni Campaign

[lionhard]

Simply as meantioned above, the best defence is a good offence

[seienchin]

Thats kinda sad, that EB forces you with some factions to blitz every enemy in sight. I rarely play those factions, though the gaul campain is still fun, unlike pontos or pahvla.

[Commander]

Well guys, I've followed your advices.

First of all, I restarted the campaign, I had really no hope. I started as you suggested, and I attacked the Aedui in the second turn (the movement restrictions didn't let me attack in the first one) with almost all I had.
With the main army I obliterated an Aedui army with a Heroic Victory, very near their capital (Gallic for Alesia maybe?), so I took it some turns after that.
There were some reinforcements who were suposed to meet the main army, but got attacked in the way, and I kept retiring until I got very near the second transalpine Aedui settlement. I obtained a Heroic Victory against an army of them once again (thanks to the Gallic Light Cavalry... I really like that guys, although as you say, are very expensive to mantain), and then I took that settlement.

BTW, I didn't assaulted the walls... I just let them come out for me... I usually do that... is that completely wrong? I know I lose a lot of time, but it assures me the victory.

I left the Cisalpine Aedui Settlement, so they're still alive, and I don't plan to attack them anytime soon. But even though they have just one settlement, they just don't want to become my protectorate , maybe I'll have to put an army outside their doors.

Now I have a doubt, about the Reforms of the Celts... is the Lv 4 Market the one that costs like 6000 mnai, or one even larger? And will the other Celtic factions help me with that? I mean, I know they build up their cities and everything, but I'm not counting on them

And, what are the units you get in the first reform? Neitos and Arjos?

Thanks a lot again guys

[athanaric]

Now I have a doubt, about the Reforms of the Celts... is the Lv 4 Market the one that costs like 6000 mnai, or one even larger? And will the other Celtic factions help me with that? I mean, I know they build up their cities and everything, but I'm not counting on them

You don't have bigger markets than lvl 3 (6130 mnai). At least I have never seen bigger ones around among Gallic factions. Better try to accelerate the reforms yourself - although in my Casse campaign, they were triggered by the other factions and I was mightily surprised.

And, what are the units you get in the first reform? Neitos and Arjos?

First reform (Time of Bondsmen):

You gain Gaelaiche (decent light spearmen), and Sotaroas (Gallic archer-spearmen). Gaelaiche are a slightly tougher unit than Gaeroas, and, unlike the latter, recruitable in all of Gaul. You should start replacing your Lugoae with Gaelaiche, because these guys are twice as good as Lugoae.

Second reform (Time of Soldiers):

You gain Neitos () and Arjos IIRC. You lose Lugoae and Cidainh (chariots). (not that you needed chariots in the first place)

[WinsingtonIII]

Well guys, I've followed your advices.

First of all, I restarted the campaign, I had really no hope. I started as you suggested, and I attacked the Aedui in the second turn (the movement restrictions didn't let me attack in the first one) with almost all I had.
With the main army I obliterated an Aedui army with a Heroic Victory, very near their capital (Gallic for Alesia maybe?), so I took it some turns after that.
There were some reinforcements who were suposed to meet the main army, but got attacked in the way, and I kept retiring until I got very near the second transalpine Aedui settlement. I obtained a Heroic Victory against an army of them once again (thanks to the Gallic Light Cavalry... I really like that guys, although as you say, are very expensive to mantain), and then I took that settlement.

BTW, I didn't assaulted the walls... I just let them come out for me... I usually do that... is that completely wrong? I know I lose a lot of time, but it assures me the victory.

I left the Cisalpine Aedui Settlement, so they're still alive, and I don't plan to attack them anytime soon. But even though they have just one settlement, they just don't want to become my protectorate , maybe I'll have to put an army outside their doors.

Now I have a doubt, about the Reforms of the Celts... is the Lv 4 Market the one that costs like 6000 mnai, or one even larger? And will the other Celtic factions help me with that? I mean, I know they build up their cities and everything, but I'm not counting on them

And, what are the units you get in the first reform? Neitos and Arjos?

Thanks a lot again guys

Awesome! I'm glad it worked out for you. Yeah I just personally don't like the Gallic Light Cavalry because I find skirmisher cavalry in general to be a bit underwhelming in EB. But that's just my personal opinion, and if they work for you then great!

I don't think there's anything wrong with starving out the enemy and letting them sally out to you. Some people like to attack because it is harder then defending, but personally, I think in the situation you were in, starving them out and ensuring victory instead of risking it all with an attack was the smart thing to do. Keep in mind, though, that the longer your troops are in enemy territory, the lower their morale in battle will be, as they start to ration and starve.

I'm glad we could help you out! But I'll leave the reforms to someone more qualified to explain them than me, plus, I think Athanaric may have already answered your question.

[NeoSpartan]

Awesome! I'm glad it worked out for you. Yeah I just personally don't like the Gallic Light Cavalry because I find skirmisher cavalry in general to be a bit underwhelming in EB. But that's just my personal opinion, and if they work for you then great!

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Gallic Light Cavalry has a nasty AP spear and pretty good charge.... it is a good deal for $1900+

[king of thracia]

Leuce Epos are excellent cavalry that get more kills than my cataphracts, and I love my cataphracts. Leuce Epos have a nasty charge and are not that expensive for cavalry. Don't leave them in melee

[WinsingtonIII]

Leuce Epos are excellent cavalry that get more kills than my cataphracts, and I love my cataphracts. Leuce Epos have a nasty charge and are not that expensive for cavalry. Don't leave them in melee

I don't leave them in melee. Maybe I just haven't used them enough, but they have never been particularly decisive in my limited experience with the Gallic factions.

[The Celtic Viking]

(not that you needed chariots in the first place)

Hey! Cidainh are awesome! They're excellent cavalry-killers and they scare enemy infantry (which made them instrumental in my defeating Jebivjetar in our MP battle - without them I would have suffered a crushing defeat). If you know how to use them, and properly protect them, they'll make life so much easier for your Gallic heroes, just like they have for me.

The Celts knew that intimidation is the strongest weapon an army can wield, and the Cidainh are intimidation put on wheels. Together with Uirodusios and/or Gaesatae, you'll have the enemy run home crying in no time.

[athanaric]

Hey! Cidainh are awesome! They're excellent cavalry-killers and they scare enemy infantry (which made them instrumental in my defeating Jebivjetar in our MP battle - without them I would have suffered a crushing defeat). If you know how to use them, and properly protect them, they'll make life so much easier for your Gallic heroes, just like they have for me.

Yeah I use Cidainh too, as Casse, but I generally find them too much trouble (pathfinding issues). And the Arverni get great cavalry anyway (with Leuce Epos and Brihentin/Remi Mairepos, the only thing you'll be wanting is HAs). But the Cidainh voice is really awesome.


BTW one of you Aedui/Arverni players could try to assemble a "fear army", composed only of Cidainh, Gaesatae, Tindanotae, Worgozez, Uirodosios, and Vojinos, and post pictures of it. I'd really love to see that (alternatively it could be done with Carthage, and elephants instead of chariots).

[Commander]

Thanks once again to everyone.

Well, the thing is that I already have the 4 Lvl 3 Markets, the Dauerdanoch (Great Markets, yes, I was confused, I thought it was 3 Lvl 4 Markets)
But the reform just does not trigger. I know I have to have good MICs to build the new units, but the "building" called Time of Freemen does not change to Time of Bondsmen... am I doing something wrong?

[anubis88]

Thanks once again to everyone.

Well, the thing is that I already have the 4 Lvl 3 Markets, the Dauerdanoch (Great Markets, yes, I was confused, I thought it was 3 Lvl 4 Markets)
But the reform just does not trigger. I know I have to have good MICs to build the new units, but the "building" called Time of Freemen does not change to Time of Bondsmen... am I doing something wrong?

Well first of all, i think the "building" doesn't change, you just get a new reform marker, so you have both IIRC.

Second, it may take some time for the reform to kick in.

Also, out of curiosity, since you are a newbie, did you start the EB script?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Thanks once again to everyone.

Well, the thing is that I already have the 4 Lvl 3 Markets, the Dauerdanoch (Great Markets, yes, I was confused, I thought it was 3 Lvl 4 Markets)
But the reform just does not trigger. I know I have to have good MICs to build the new units, but the "building" called Time of Freemen does not change to Time of Bondsmen... am I doing something wrong?

In my experience it takes somewhere from 1-4 years. In all honesty, Time of Bondsmen is not that exciting. Galaiche are good to have and I recruit them and Sotoroas can be useful to distract enemy forces and fight against cavalry, but the real meat of Celtic reforms is in Time of Soldiers. Neitos

Actually the most useful unit I feel like I got out of Time of Bondsmen are the Gallic Shortswordsmen. Even though they are only recruitable in one province, they do an absolutely amazing job as flankers because they are so fast. Basically the Western version of Galatian Shortswordsmen.

Also as Aedui or Arverni, you lose access to Cidahn in the Time of Bondsmen rather than in Time of Soldiers like the Casse.

[NeoSpartan]

Simply as meantioned above, the best defence is a good offence

In the real world??????.......

...no


In RTW world???..... hellz yeah