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    Leuce Epos are excellent cavalry that get more kills than my cataphracts, and I love my cataphracts. Leuce Epos have a nasty charge and are not that expensive for cavalry. Don't leave them in melee

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    Quote Originally Posted by king of thracia View Post
    Leuce Epos are excellent cavalry that get more kills than my cataphracts, and I love my cataphracts. Leuce Epos have a nasty charge and are not that expensive for cavalry. Don't leave them in melee
    I don't leave them in melee. Maybe I just haven't used them enough, but they have never been particularly decisive in my limited experience with the Gallic factions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII View Post
    I don't leave them in melee. Maybe I just haven't used them enough, but they have never been particularly decisive in my limited experience with the Gallic factions.
    I have to agree with you. I can't find a little niche for them to fill in my armies. They simply melted when I used them online and ended up costing me the battle. Against AI players they may have some uses when heavily micromanaged. I just don't care enough to bother with too much of that.
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    Well as much as i'm concerned, the Leuce Epos are the most cost efficient cavalry in the game. Even if they hadn't had javelins, they would still cost less than 500mnai in upkeep, and can have a decent charge and fare pretty well against other mediocre cavalry. If you don't have a lot of money, they can really help you out
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    Leuce Epos are vital in campaign because, being superb pursuers, they can catch fleeing enemy generals. They are an absolute must have for Aedui, Arverni, and Swêboz. Also for Casse if they wish to expand on the continent.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Blxz View Post
    I have to agree with you. I can't find a little niche for them to fill in my armies. They simply melted when I used them online and ended up costing me the battle. Against AI players they may have some uses when heavily micromanaged. I just don't care enough to bother with too much of that.
    Don't know why you'd expect to win MP without micro, lmao. If opponent didn't have massed archers then you simply don't know how to use them.

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    I can understand what you guys are saying about the cost-effectiveness of Leuce Epos, they are quite cheap. I just don't think it's justifiable to claim that they are decisive battle-winners. Cost-effective, maybe even surprisingly good light cavalry? Sure. But not decisive battle-winners in most cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by king of thracia View Post
    Don't know why you'd expect to win MP without micro, lmao. If opponent didn't have massed archers then you simply don't know how to use them.
    Please spare us all the personal attacks, it doesn't add anything to the discussion. By the way, there are a huge variety of explanations for losing a multiplayer game when you happen to be using Leuce Epos that do not involve a failure to micromanage your cavalry or massed archers on the part of the enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII View Post
    I can understand what you guys are saying about the cost-effectiveness of Leuce Epos, they are quite cheap. I just don't think it's justifiable to claim that they are decisive battle-winners. Cost-effective, maybe even surprisingly good light cavalry? Sure. But not decisive battle-winners in most cases.
    They have a real charge, a high lethality charge. There are two types of lance cavalry which are generally identifiable by the way the horseman holds his spear, either overhand or underhand. Although there are exceptions, underhand is better, having about double the lethality. Leuce Epos are of underhand. A useful stat viewer for units can be found at http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net

    Such a cavalry charge will cause massive casualties and if done at the right time will cause routing. Naturally, this is helpful in deciding the battle quickly, faster than infantry grind down as well as being much easier and therefore more decisive than barbarian infantry charges. With Leuce Epos alt+click to charge while they still have javelin ammo. You can turn autofire on as desired and they will throw javelins while charging. Leuce Epos do a tremendous amount of killing between javelins, charges, and routers and do not have to close to melee to operate. In this manner they are much like their archer-lancer brethren.

    It is good to rout for a quick victory and as well as to severely deplete routed groups so they do not reform and return to the battle.

    Please spare us all the personal attacks, it doesn't add anything to the discussion. By the way, there are a huge variety of explanations for losing a multiplayer game when you happen to be using Leuce Epos that do not involve a failure to micromanage your cavalry or massed archers on the part of the enemy.
    Yes. Blaming the Leuce Epos is rather disingenuous. They are not that hard to use although allowances must be made for individual skill level. Blx, you might want to advance beyond the point of just throwing two armies at each other ;)
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    The point of Leuce Epos, as I've hinted before, is that they are vital in campaign.

    - Two of their units can sandwich a heavy cavalry unit with a double charge. I've destroyed Seleukid Cataphracts with Bedouin cavalry this way.

    - They are extremely important for running down the enemy general. Especially if you're playing against a (cowardly) faction with very fast cavalry generals, like Epeiros, SPQR, or Lusotannan. Of course, you shouldn't try to attack a Germanic or KH general with them...

    - They make excellent pursuers to mop the field clean of your routing enemies, ensuring that you don't have to fight the same army twice. Pursuing with heavy cav is possible, but it sucks, especially roleplay wise.

    - Very useful distraction and general annoyance to lure away enemy troops. In campaign, it may happen that you face a superior army (like a Roman PE+Triarii+Neitos fullstack ). Superior mobility is crucial, not only with Nomad factions.




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    Quote Originally Posted by king of thracia View Post
    They have a real charge, a high lethality charge. There are two types of lance cavalry which are generally identifiable by the way the horseman holds his spear, either overhand or underhand. Although there are exceptions, underhand is better, having about double the lethality. Leuce Epos are of underhand. A useful stat viewer for units can be found at http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.net

    Such a cavalry charge will cause massive casualties and if done at the right time will cause routing. Naturally, this is helpful in deciding the battle quickly, faster than infantry grind down as well as being much easier and therefore more decisive than barbarian infantry charges. With Leuce Epos alt+click to charge while they still have javelin ammo. You can turn autofire on as desired and they will throw javelins while charging. Leuce Epos do a tremendous amount of killing between javelins, charges, and routers and do not have to close to melee to operate. In this manner they are much like their archer-lancer brethren.

    It is good to rout for a quick victory and as well as to severely deplete routed groups so they do not reform and return to the battle.

    Yes. Blaming the Leuce Epos is rather disingenuous. They are not that hard to use although allowances must be made for individual skill level. Blx, you might want to advance beyond the point of just throwing two armies at each other ;)
    I'm not that new to EB... I know about the unit viewer, the difference between underhand and overhand lance cavalry, how to alt click, how to turn fire-at-will on and off, how to charge cavalry, how to use cavalry in general, and how to do more than just throw two armies at each other ( throwing two armies at each other is actually pretty difficult considering I only have control over one army...). If you are legitimately trying to help, then thank you, but that little dig at the end makes it seem like you're trying to talk down to me, and I don't appreciate that. I don't understand why you feel the need to insult me in the first place, considering all we are doing is talking about a light cavalry unit.

    I think I should revise my earlier statement. I can use skirmisher cavalry fairly effectively (I may not be great with them but I'm certainly not making the rookie mistakes that you are implying). That said, I don't particularly like Leuce Epos. It's a personal opinion, that's all. I don't understand why everyone is jumping all over me about this in first place, all I was doing was expressing a personal opinion, and if I had realized how much trouble it was going to cause, I never would have said anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    The point of Leuce Epos, as I've hinted before, is that they are vital in campaign.

    - Two of their units can sandwich a heavy cavalry unit with a double charge. I've destroyed Seleukid Cataphracts with Bedouin cavalry this way.

    - They are extremely important for running down the enemy general. Especially if you're playing against a (cowardly) faction with very fast cavalry generals, like Epeiros, SPQR, or Lusotannan. Of course, you shouldn't try to attack a Germanic or KH general with them...

    - They make excellent pursuers to mop the field clean of your routing enemies, ensuring that you don't have to fight the same army twice. Pursuing with heavy cav is possible, but it sucks, especially roleplay wise.

    - Very useful distraction and general annoyance to lure away enemy troops. In campaign, it may happen that you face a superior army (like a Roman PE+Triarii+Neitos fullstack ). Superior mobility is crucial, not only with Nomad factions.
    Thank you for a response that was not insulting, but as I said, I understand their battlefield role and have used them that way. Since early on they are some of the only cavalry available to you as the Gallic factions, they are certainly important during campaigns, and I understand that. They are just not one of my favorite units, that's all. A personal opinion, nothing more.
    Last edited by WinsingtonIII; 11-28-2009 at 19:24.
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