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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    A socialist did not coin the term. The "One Nation under God" was added to the pledge later.
    Quite correct. The pledge was added in 1954 following a lobbying effort by the Knights of Columbus (notably the Sir Knights of the 4th degree of our order). It is an acknowledgement of the divine, but purposefully phrased ecumenically so that no sect or faith would feel excluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Quite correct. The pledge was added in 1954 following a lobbying effort by the Knights of Columbus (notably the Sir Knights of the 4th degree of our order). It is an acknowledgement of the divine, but purposefully phrased ecumenically so that no sect or faith would feel excluded.
    It only serves those of a monotheistic faith. It purposefully excludes those who believe in nature spirits, more then one god or those who don't believe in a divine being. I would say it is crossing the line of separation of powers.

    Unless of course one thinks that the belief systems of Native Americans is insignificant and that it is okay to blanket out there causes. Or to regulate atheists to the status of non citizen in a discriminatory manner.

    Put the shoes on in another manner. God with a capital G normally refers to the Chrisitian (and coincidentally Jewish and Islamic) religiousness Deity. Would you feel excluded if the phrase was:

    "One Nation under No God" Atheist Premise
    "One Nation under the Greek Pantheon" Ancient Greek
    "One Nation under the Spaghetti Monster" atheist with a sense of humour.
    "One Nation under Ra"
    "One Nation under the Force"
    "One Nation under Nature"
    etc

    I'm sure if one or more of these was used in the pledge you would feel it as an attack on your belief system. As I'm sure others do feel about having to recite a pledge of another's belief system to show their loyalty to the nation. It certainly is mixing church and state when one has to acknowledge a religious belief to show allegiance to a nation.
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