Train bombed in Russia

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sad this. A major terrorist attack, leaving dozens dead.


Russian authorities now suspect North Caucasian groups.


One thing strikes me: a similar attack on this same train narrowly failed two years ago. It was re-tried and succeeded this time. It reminds of the two efforts to bring down the Twin Towers. (Not two planes, but the failed van with explosives in 1994)
A hallmark of a specific kind terrorism?

Neither, it were afghans who is willing to take the bet, I put in 1 warning point

Afghans? Why?

[cegorach]

Cheers !

Sad this. A major terrorist attack, leaving dozens dead.

Yes, this form of terrorism is close to the worst.

Russian authorities now suspect North Caucasian groups.

It is a problem because at least three groups of people could be participating in this attack (the Chechens/muslim militants, the neonazis or even which is most puzzling some local separatists - there was one, most likely fake announcement from the 'freedom fighters' demanding the independence of St.Petersburg...).

The train is an attractive target - ruling elit travells using it from St. Petersburg to Moscow - so called 'pieterscy' - so people brought t the capital with Putin and some of his closest allies and friends.

It means it was an attack against the elite of the Kremlin itself - not only against the rich and prosperous, but also against the Putin system itself and since it succeeded it is a powerful blow.

Or perhaps even a humilation because Putin and company promised security above else and the train should be under special protection.


In reality it wasn't - it could be observed during the rescue operation - shortages of equipment and people, lack of most basic help for a long time. Rather close the the avarage in Russian Federation, but the PUBLIC and the terrorists believed differently.

One thing strikes me: a similar attack on this same train narrowly failed two years ago. It was re-tried and succeeded this time. It reminds of the two efforts to bring down the Twin Towers. (Not two planes, but the failed van with explosives in 1994)

Yes, at that time the terrorists thought much smaller bomb will be enough - this time they were better prepared.




A hallmark of a specific kind terrorism?

Rather the fact the terrorists are learning and the Russian security agencies didn't.




Personally I am worried that once again it means some radical countermove in the Caucasus region.

The authorities will have to react somehow and I'd prefer they 've finally dealt with the worsening condition of the Russian police - the whistle-blowers'' accounts on YourTube and the numerous news about corruption and criminal activities of uniformed services sworn to protect the citizens are pretty horrific.

Perhaps something good will come from this, but during the last several months I became much more pessimistic about it or about any short-term positive changes in Russia in general.



I think it is more probable that the Kremlin will organise some spectacular action against the neo-nazi or something in the Caucasus (Daghestan, Ingushetia... damn the whole region became a warzone...) and another nonsense campaign about western imperialism plus a PR session with Mr.Putin sent to the Moon, diving in the Mariana Trench or saving an orphan from a bloodthirsty mutant bear while Mr. Medvedev will talk about another plan of modernisation and overtaking the USA...

One Russian newspaper already managed to report that the terrorists were funded by... Poland.



P.S. I wonder how much the ORG changed since the last time I've been here.

[Fragony]

One Russian newspaper already managed to report that the terrorists were funded by... Poland.

I wouldn't normally come to your aid but I have to admit that just isn't possible

oh, and welcome back to the trenches

[Subotan]

One Russian newspaper already managed to report that the terrorists were funded by... Poland.

The train of thought that led to that idea must be confused by some sort of mental sickness.

[Brenus]

"I wouldn't doubt Putin or his cronies orchestrated it." Funny this, remind me something. Just put Bush instead of Putin...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

"I wouldn't doubt Putin or his cronies orchestrated it." Funny this, remind me something. Just put Bush instead of Putin...

I doubt Putin did it, but Bush and Putin were very, very different leaders. Such as one being a quasi-dictator and one not being one.

[CrossLOPER]

I doubt Putin did it, but Bush and Putin were very, very different leaders. Such as one being a quasi-dictator and one not being one.

He's talking about tinfoil hats there.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Cegorach has returned!

and another nonsense campaign about western imperialism plus a PR session with Mr.Putin sent to the Moon, diving in the Mariana Trench or saving an orphan from a bloodthirsty mutant bear while Mr. Medvedev will talk about another plan of modernisation and overtaking the USA...

Sounds familiar to the SuperSarko way of politics.

One Russian newspaper already managed to report that the terrorists were funded by... Poland.

Poland was right. Louis was wrong.

P.S. I wonder how much the ORG changed since the last time I've been here.

The .org is going strong. The Backroom has changed lots. Not all of it for the better. To be honest, the Backroom is a bit of a shadow of its former self. Yes, I too am to blame.

I remember when it was the best political forum on the entire internet. Great days. The Backroom still has its moments and some great characters, but too many have left or barely post anymore.

[cegorach]

Cegorach has returned!

Had to happen, eventually. Yes, I will say it - I am addict...

Sounds familiar to the SuperSarko way of politics.

True, but more boring, despite being somehow more imaginative -

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The .org is going strong. The Backroom has changed lots. Not all of it for the better. To be honest, the Backroom is a bit of a shadow of its former self. Yes, I too am to blame.

I remember when it was the best political forum on the entire internet. Great days. The Backroom still has its moments and some great characters, but too many have left or barely post anymore.

Whatever, after a year of (limited) involvement in political discussions in Polish internet - as Law and Justice is stuck to suffer another election defeat its most vocal supporters are not even pathetic anymore, they are too bad for this. It is no fun anymore.
Add to that total tabloidisation of the media (just like everywhere else...), almost total domination of Tusk's Civic Platform and suicidal attitude of colourless left wing parties.

It is so boring despite media frenzy. It is more surreal than the American healthcare debate, but dull.

Even Swine Flu failed (people don't care) and recession forgot about Poland (some said we've screwed this crisis up).

I am not saying it is bad, but getting used to takes some time.



So I guess even those moments will be priceless. I must admit that the Camel Wars thread looks good for the beginning.







@Sarmatian

One Russian newspaper already managed to report that the terrorists were funded by... Poland.
One! Really!? Out of 450,000 newspapers in Russia? No, it can't be... That's like... huge... I mean it's more than... none.

I love you too Sarmatian.

But really it is like a never ending ritual also when coming from officials.

How was that, oh yes terrorist attack in Ingushetia were organised by the USA, the UK and Israel according to its current president.

I am not saying they are not entitled to some little scaremongering, everyone loves that.

Still...for the love of God they could abandon some most obvious cliches. It is like more grotesque repetition of Khruschov era propaganda.

It is the 21st century so they could at least find someone or something else...

[Sarmatian]

@Sarmatian




I love you too Sarmatian.

But really it is like a never ending ritual also when coming from officials.

How was that, oh yes terrorist attack in Ingushetia were organised by the USA, the UK and Israel according to its current president.

I am not saying they are not entitled to some little scaremongering, everyone loves that.

Still...for the love of God they could abandon some most obvious cliches. It is like more grotesque repetition of Khruschov era propaganda.

It is the 21st century so they could at least find someone or something else...

Don't worry mate. Despite our arguments and our disagreements, I like you and respect you. I look forward to boring everybody else when it happens again. And, let's face it, Poland deserves a better representative than Krook on the .Org... So, even though my post probably didn't sound like it, I'm glad you're back. So, officially, welcome back

On topic, I bet there's a newspaper in Russia that blames aliens for the attack, one that blames dwarves and two that insist it was a wrath of God.

That's the beauty of (semi)free press...

[cegorach]

Don't worry mate. Despite our arguments and our disagreements, I like you and respect you. I look forward to boring everybody else when it happens again. And, let's face it, Poland deserves a better representative than Krook on the .Org... So, even though my post probably didn't sound like it, I'm glad you're back. So, officially, welcome back

Krook... alone... Need to digest the information...

On topic, I bet there's a newspaper in Russia that blames aliens for the attack, one that blames dwarves and two that insist it was a wrath of God.

That's the beauty of (semi)free press...

Of course, but I was more concerned about the tedious repetion of the same nonsense.

I am not really concerned that someone blamed Poland for something in Russia - that is expectable and happens on regulr basis from the time of Ivan the Terrible, just like threatening us with rockets (every year since 1993) - a part of neighbourhood and a local custom.
It is rather more disturbing that foreigners were/are/will be blamed and the truth about the attacks once again, most likely ( I wish I could say probably, but in this case I am pessimistic) will remain unknown.
It is Nord-Ost attack again and again and the corruption in the security agencies becomes worse while conflict in the Caucasus spreads to new regions.


I hope that things are getting worse only to get better, but as I said above I am much more pessimistic than 18 months ago.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I am not really concerned that someone blamed Poland for something in Russia

Nothing to be concerned about indeed. I learned the Kremlin blames the Elysee too.

a newspaper in Russia blames dwarves

[Sarmatian]

One Russian newspaper already managed to report that the terrorists were funded by... Poland.

One! Really!? Out of 450,000 newspapers in Russia? No, it can't be... That's like... huge... I mean it's more than... none.