Evil Americans Still Ruin the World for Petrodollars

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Proposals such as this idiocy have been turned down in the past before. If the Canadian Government even mentioned such an action again, I'd go join the Mohawk Warrior Society and round up all the gangsters in the 'hood to do the same, despite their obvious vices, so angered would I be (and most of Aboriginal Canada, as well) over such an unjust act.

If the Aboriginals weren't so opposed to this, it could be seen as a wise thing to do, but this is not the case. Aboriginal nationalism is only going to grow stronger with time.

Racism is also rubbish, and this is what you are describing. That your people should be kept seperate, and suffer as a result, because of their race.

What is unjust about making your people equal to everyone else?

You have even admitted that the reservations are what make your people impoverished, so get rid of them.

[KukriKhan]

Racism is also rubbish, and this is what you are describing. That your people should be kept seperate, and suffer as a result, because of their race.

What is unjust about making your people equal to everyone else?

You have even admitted that the reservations are what make your people impoverished, so get rid of them.

Not exactly racist; the Canadians have a different idea than the Yanks' "melting pot" theory. Their multi-cultural approach enables Quebec, for example, to be uniquely Quebec (and distinct from Ontario; no race-based differentiation there, rather lingual and cultural), and the Aboriginals to also be seen as "separate" whilst not segregated. A thin line of distinction there, I know.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not exactly racist; the Canadians have a different idea than the Yanks' "melting pot" theory. Their multi-cultural approach enables Quebec, for example, to be uniquely Quebec (and distinct from Ontario; no race-based differentiation there, rather lingual and cultural), and the Aboriginals to also be seen as "separate" whilst not segregated. A thin line of distinction there, I know.

I dissagree. On the one hand, Quebec agitated for minority ethnic representation (being French, they wanted Canadian government documents to be bi-lingual), then refused to produce Quebec government documents/signage etc. in English. Let's not be so crude as to equate ethnicity and skin colour; the shade of your skin is no more relevant than that of your hair or eyes.

From Meth's posts and what I know of the situation and the legality, Natives are still very much segregated.

Interestingly, I have heard that Quebec is beginning to suffer from it's own racist approach to Anglo-Saxons.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I dissagree. On the one hand, Quebec agitated for minority ethnic representation (being French, they wanted Canadian government documents to be bi-lingual), then refused to produce Quebec government documents/signage etc. in English.

Interestingly, I have heard that Quebec is beginning to suffer from it's own racist approach to Anglo-Saxons.

Cursed racist Québécois, demanding they can speak their own language in their own country, and having the nerve too to ask to be adressed by their government in their mother tongue without so much as having to reply in the language of their massa.

Language fascism, says I. About time the native English language stands up to this vile imperialist policy with renewed economical repression.

[A Very Super Market]

Natives are not segregrated, at least not in respect to the term used for the American '50s style racism. Natives living outside the reserves live their lives as any other citizen. But the "bonuses" for natives exist only if they remain on their worthless reserves. The main problem with this idea is that as a response to the fear of assimiliation, it succeeds brilliantly, but is utterly useless inactually supporting the reserve residents. All the "bonuses" from living there are taken away if they leave, apart from very rare exceptions. And of course, the residents have terrible lives marked mainly by alcoholism.

As for Quebec, if British Columbians need to have French everywhere, why don't the Quebecois need to see cursed Anglais plastered everywhere? More fear of assimiliation. Again, the solution to one problem exacerbates the other. Canada is a messed up country too.

[Megas Methuselah]

Not exactly racist; the Canadians have a different idea than the Yanks' "melting pot" theory. Their multi-cultural approach enables Quebec, for example, to be uniquely Quebec (and distinct from Ontario; no race-based differentiation there, rather lingual and cultural), and the Aboriginals to also be seen as "separate" whilst not segregated. A thin line of distinction there, I know.

There is a difference between multiculturalism and multinationalism. For decades now, both Quebec and the First Nations have been screaming for both national recognition (semi-fulfilled in the Aboriginal case, I guess) and a multinational system of government. Do not forget that there are some 60-80 First Nations and other Aboriginal Nations, as well as more francophone nations than Quebec (Acadia, eh?).

Racism is also rubbish, and this is what you are describing. That your people should be kept seperate, and suffer as a result, because of their race.

What is unjust about making your people equal to everyone else?

You have even admitted that the reservations are what make your people impoverished, so get rid of them.

So you suggest that we abandon the last scraps of our nation-states and go live our lives in urban ghettoes with the rest of the Aboriginal peoples who don't live on reserves? That doesn't change anything, aside from a physical shift of positions. The main problem with Aboriginal peoples, especially First Nation peoples, is the horrifyingly widespread alcoholism, family dysfunctionalism (both resulting in physical, sexual, and mental abuse), and poverty. Being forced to enter urban Canada would not help two of the more important factors (alcoholism and family dysfunction), which are the primary issues that result in poverty; this has already been proven, as I've said, by the Aboriginals who are already living in urban areas.

I dissagree. On the one hand, Quebec agitated for minority ethnic representation (being French, they wanted Canadian government documents to be bi-lingual), then refused to produce Quebec government documents/signage etc. in English. Let's not be so crude as to equate ethnicity and skin colour; the shade of your skin is no more relevant than that of your hair or eyes.

From Meth's posts and what I know of the situation and the legality, Natives are still very much segregated.

Interestingly, I have heard that Quebec is beginning to suffer from it's own racist approach to Anglo-Saxons.

Do you remember the situation in 1995 when Quebec came very, very, very, very close to seceding from Canada? This is how frustrated they are with Canada's attitude towards the minority nations in the state.

Btw, where have you heard about Quebec treating "Anglo-Saxons" as such? I do know that French is the primary language in the province, and that having your education in French is a law or something (?) meant to preserve the French language. Perhaps you see this as an attack upon "Anglo-Saxons"? It's more of a defence to help keep their province from assimilating into English-speaking society, as the French language is one their main factors behind their call to recognition as a nation. (interestingly, one could argue that this call for national recognition is relatively undermined by Canada's adoption of French as another official language of the country as a whole)

Cursed racist Québécois, demanding they can speak their own language in their own country, and having the nerve too to ask to be adressed by their government in their mother tongue without so much as having to reply in the language of their massa.

Language fascism, says I. About time the native English language stands up to this vile imperialist policy with renewed economical repression.

Haha, yeah. It's interesting, though, how you term the whole of Quebec as their own country. Don't forget that Canada was built on treaties with the First Peoples, and that in 1985 Quebec itself recognized the various First Nations (most significantly, the ones inhabiting the province of Quebec) as nations. Quebec's nationalism, very much like Anglo-Canada, is built on multi-culturalism and, since 1985, one could say multinationalism, as well. It's a messy situation not many people fully understand.

Natives are not segregrated, at least not in respect to the term used for the American '50s style racism. Natives living outside the reserves live their lives as any other citizen. But the "bonuses" for natives exist only if they remain on their worthless reserves. The main problem with this idea is that as a response to the fear of assimiliation, it succeeds brilliantly, but is utterly useless inactually supporting the reserve residents. All the "bonuses" from living there are taken away if they leave, apart from very rare exceptions. And of course, the residents have terrible lives marked mainly by alcoholism.

As for Quebec, if British Columbians need to have French everywhere, why don't the Quebecois need to see cursed Anglais plastered everywhere? More fear of assimiliation. Again, the solution to one problem exacerbates the other. Canada is a messed up country too.

Yeah, it is. PVC's call for the removal of "segregration" should be seen as nothing more than the opinion of some outsider who does not even understand the situation. Abolishing the reserves and condeming the Franco-Canadians into mainstream Anglo-Canadian society would only serve to tear the country apart. Especially since minority nationals already form a large portion of Canada's population and, in the Aboriginal case, is expanding rapidly.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Abolishing the reserves and condeming the Franco-Canadians into mainstream Anglo-Canadian society would only serve to tear the country apart.

There is no question that the reserve system needs to be changed, or perhaps totally abolished. On the other hand, it would need to be replaced with something that actually worked for everybody. That last part is, in my mind, the tricky bit.

EDIT: I understand your passion for this, but dismissing a different opinion as the opinion of an uneducated outsider is perhaps overkill, especially as there are many Canadians who agree with him. It would be perhaps wise to listen to the whole argument without resorting to ad hominem. Though I freely admit I have been guilty of this in the past, it may be worth it to learn from my mistakes.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

There is a difference between multiculturalism and multinationalism. For decades now, both Quebec and the First Nations have been screaming for both national recognition (semi-fulfilled in the Aboriginal case, I guess) and a multinational system of government. Do not forget that there are some 60-80 First Nations and other Aboriginal Nations, as well as more francophone nations than Quebec (Acadia, eh?).

Ah, but what proportion of the total population of Canada do they make up? Can they prosper without the Federal Government and the Anglophones? One of the facets of a Nation is the ability to determine one's own destiny.

If I were to use the definition of Nation that you do, then England would be composed of around 4-6 and the UK of 10+. There are some xenophobic ultra-nationalists here who might like that, but they're a minority and pretty much all burn with a deep hatred of all outsiders.

So you suggest that we abandon the last scraps of our nation-states and go live our lives in urban ghettoes with the rest of the Aboriginal peoples who don't live on reserves? That doesn't change anything, aside from a physical shift of positions. The main problem with Aboriginal peoples, especially First Nation peoples, is the horrifyingly widespread alcoholism, family dysfunctionalism (both resulting in physical, sexual, and mental abuse), and poverty. Being forced to enter urban Canada would not help two of the more important factors (alcoholism and family dysfunction), which are the primary issues that result in poverty; this has already been proven, as I've said, by the Aboriginals who are already living in urban areas.

"Nation-States" is a European term, and one that has been used to justify keeping your people on useless land that the rest of Canada doesn't want. The genius of the system is that they have enshrined this in Law as a privilage and convinced you that you have a "right" to live on the worst land. Get rid of the special legal status of aborigonals, and integrate your land into the rest of Canada and the Provincial and Federal Governments will suddenly find thier Urban and Rural poverty statistics going through the roof.

They'll no longer hanve any excuse or legal barrier to giving your people exactly the same standard of living as other Canadians.

Do you remember the situation in 1995 when Quebec came very, very, very, very close to seceding from Canada? This is how frustrated they are with Canada's attitude towards the minority nations in the state.

Peoples, not Nations. You cannot have more than one Nation in a State.

Btw, where have you heard about Quebec treating "Anglo-Saxons" as such? I do know that French is the primary language in the province, and that having your education in French is a law or something (?) meant to preserve the French language. Perhaps you see this as an attack upon "Anglo-Saxons"? It's more of a defence to help keep their province from assimilating into English-speaking society, as the French language is one their main factors behind their call to recognition as a nation. (interestingly, one could argue that this call for national recognition is relatively undermined by Canada's adoption of French as another official language of the country as a whole)

Canada became bi-lingual to please the French-speakers, who then became mono-lingual to upset the English-speakers. So, the English speakers just leave the province if they can afford it. It's a mini "brain drain" and it's caused by xenophobia. Ultimately, "cultural genocide" is very difficult, and the Canadian government is not in that business. If Canadians in Quebec were speaking less French and more English it's much more likely to be because of convenience than ideology.

Yeah, it is. PVC's call for the removal of "segregration" should be seen as nothing more than the opinion of some outsider who does not even understand the situation.

We have exactly the same problem here with the Welsh-speakers, united only by their hatred of the English, and of those Welsh who favour English over Welsh because of (as I said) convenience. They consider these people "traitors", and during the 1970's Welsh speakers engaged in acts of vandalism minor terrorism against English-speakers.

Did you know that the Welsh term for England is, "The Lost Land", even after 1600 years?

So, I have an idea about these sorts of cultural-ethnic clashes.

Abolishing the reserves and condeming the Franco-Canadians into mainstream Anglo-Canadian society would only serve to tear the country apart.

There's an old British saying from the Legends of King Arthur, "One Land, One King", it means that everyone should live together under one government and one Law. It doesn't mean that everyone should be the same. In this case it means that the Anglo-Canadians, Franco-Canadians and everyone else should integrate together, not that one should be subject to another.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Cursed racist Québécois, demanding they can speak their own language in their own country, and having the nerve too to ask to be adressed by their government in their mother tongue without so much as having to reply in the language of their massa.

Language fascism, says I. About time the native English language stands up to this vile imperialist policy with renewed economical repression.

Loius, in Canada everything has to be bi-lingual, except in Quebec where it's only in French, where teaching is only in French.

All Canadians should learn French, as should all English school children. It is the double standard that angers me.

[lars573]

I dissagree. On the one hand, Quebec agitated for minority ethnic representation (being French, they wanted Canadian government documents to be bi-lingual), then refused to produce Quebec government documents/signage etc. in English. Let's not be so crude as to equate ethnicity and skin colour; the shade of your skin is no more relevant than that of your hair or eyes.

From Meth's posts and what I know of the situation and the legality, Natives are still very much segregated.

Interestingly, I have heard that Quebec is beginning to suffer from it's own racist approach to Anglo-Saxons.

Your actually misunderstanding a few things. The Federal government is billingual. But each province has the right to set their own offical language. Quebec's is French, in 8 other provinces it's English (but most will have French as a courtesey). There is in fact only 1 billigual province, New Brunswick. Public signage in Quebec is in French, in New Scotland it's in English, in New Brunswick it's both.

[Megas Methuselah]

I will get back at this when I have the time after my next final exam for a long post.