Do as we say, but don't do as we do.

[Devastatin Dave]

Though you miss out where conservative party policy is to oppress the masses, while left-wing policy is liberating them, or distributing wealth to help all in the greater good. But those details seem to go unmentioned.

Examples:

Right = Monarchy, Patriot Act, Wage Slavery and various oppression.
Left = Universal Healthcare, Minimum Wage, Suffrage and various other things.

And you wonder why?

Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala, China with its political executions. Nope, I'll stay conservative.

[Devastatin Dave]

Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala, China with its political executions. Nope, I'll stay conservative.

Beskar, you remind me of this song I love by the Dead Kennedys...

"Holiday In Cambodia"

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So you been to school
For a year or two
And you know you've seen it all
In daddy's car
Thinkin' you'll go far
Back east your type don't crawl

Play ethnicky jazz
To parade your snazz
On your five grand stereo
Braggin' that you know
How the niggers feel cold
And the slums got so much soul

It's time to taste what you most fear
Right Guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear:

It's a holiday in Cambodia
It's tough, kid, but it's life
It's a holiday in Cambodia
Don't forget to pack a wife

You're a star-belly sneech
You suck like a leach
You want everyone to act like you
Kiss ass while you bitch
So you can get rich
But your boss gets richer off you

Well you'll work harder
With a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers
Till you starve
Then your head is skewered on a stake

Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need, my son:.

Is a holiday in Cambodia
Where people dress in black
A holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll kiss ass or crack

Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, [etc]

And it's a holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll do what you're told
A holiday in Cambodia
Where the slums got so much soul

[Hax]

The United States, with its torture of political enemies!

Oh, wait..did I just? Nevermind.

EDIT: On a serious note (I don't want to get all spammy), I don't see what's wrong exactly with taking care of the nature around you. I mean, it's our problem in the end. It's something we created. Even although the message of the environmentalist elite might be false, the thought of taking care of your immediate surrounding with respect is something in which I only see benefits. The major problem, of course, is the idea that we can keep consuming without taking notice of the consequences.

The way we are currently handling natural resources, specificially oil is a way that is bound to lead to socio-economical disaster, especially in the countries where people spend the most and consume the most: currently this is western Europe, the northern part of the American continent, as well as Japan and South Korea.

These are the countries which all happen to be under the economical hegemony, as a matter of fact, of the United States. Note that I clearly state economical hegemony; this is clearly visible in the streets. Right now, Capitalism has triumphed.

The thing is, I don't think this is the proper way to handle our climate; and even for a complete egoïst, what will happen is clear: we'll run out of oil, and sooner than we'd like, I think. Therefore, not only climatologically, but socially and economically, we need to make progress towards a Green future.

The current emissions of carbondioxide are an economical and a social plague. Nobody likes the smell of a car (I like the smell of gasoline, though). Nobody wants to live in a filthy environment that is devoid of any sort of natural life, save for the sole humans fighting their way through the smog, hurrying home. How far would we go into consuming our earth, mercilessly utilising its rivers, plains, wetlands, steppes, mountains and forests until there is nothing left? And then what? Move to another galaxy? Perhaps...but we'd proceed our seemingly continuous rape of the natural world until those resources run out as well.

Consuming like this will, in the end, only lead to self-destruction. What might be worse than that is the fact that we do not only destroy ourselves, but also everything that comes into contact with us.

Oil will run out. When will it run out? Soon.

Wind, water and solar power will run out. When will it run out? Not so soon.

I might even refer to nuclear power, but that's not something for this thread.

~Hax, feeling extraordinarily hippie-like today

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The United States, with its torture of political enemies!

Oh, wait..did I just?

State something inaccurate? Yeah.

EDIT: On a serious note (I don't want to get all spammy), I don't see what's wrong exactly with taking care of the nature around you. I mean, it's our problem in the end. It's something we created. Even although the message of the environmentalist elite might be false, the thought of taking care of your immediate surrounding with respect is something in which I only see benefits. The major problem, of course, is the idea that we can keep consuming without taking notice of the consequences.

I am a conservationist, and in favour of protecting our natural areas and resources. I am not in favour of politicians and movie stars trying to sell me such a massive lie, and especially not when they themselves are hypocrites. When they start to use it as an excuse to push internationalism and control, they've crossed the line.

[Hax]

State something inaccurate? Yeah.

It's like somebody missed out on the summer camps in Cuba and Iraq!

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It's like somebody missed out on the summer camps in Cuba and Iraq!

Somebody else missed out on some definitions. Terrorists, not political enemies. Political enemies implies they were guilty of thoughtcrime, not setting IEDs.

[Hax]

There were enough people in Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib that were affiliated with neither Al-Qaeda nor the Taliban. An example. If you want, I can get you more in the morning!

[Beskar]

Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala, China with its political executions. Nope, I'll stay conservative.

Yet North Korea, Mao's China, other examples of totalitarian government is not left-wing but actually right-wing along with Mussolini, Franco, Papa Doc and all their friends. It is a sucker when pesky facts in it the way.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Yet North Korea, Mao's China, other examples of totalitarian government is not left-wing but actually right-wing along with Mussolini, Franco, Papa Doc and all their friends. It is a sucker when pesky facts in it the way.

Just because somebody on your side of the political spectrum is an embarrassment to it doesn't mean that you should try to move them to the right side*. Authoritarian left-wing states are still on the left. You don't call Mao right-wing, I won't call Hitler left-wing, and we'll both be factually correct. Deal?

*Other side. Freudian slip.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Yet North Korea, Mao's China, other examples of totalitarian government is not left-wing but actually right-wing along with Mussolini, Franco, Papa Doc and all their friends. It is a sucker when pesky facts in it the way.

So what you've been saying is: all bad and mean things = the right of the spectrum.
All things made of sugar and spice and everything nice = the left side?


And did you say no leftists want to control people?

Here in the US, they want more control than anyone else! They want to have a say in where I work, how much I make, what I learn at schools, what I have to buy, what I can't buy, what I have to pay, who I have to buy from, what health insurance I have, what guns I own, where I can start a business, how I can run a business, in whether I wear a seatbelt or helmet, where I can smoke, what cars I can own, what electricity I consume, what food I eat, etc.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And did you say no leftists want to control people?

Here in the US, they want more control than anyone else! They want to have a say in where I work, how much I make, what I learn at schools, what I have to buy, what I can't buy, what I have to pay, who I have to buy from, what health insurance I have, what guns I own, where I can start a business, how I can run a business, in whether I wear a seatbelt or helmet, where I can smoke, what cars I can own, what electricity I consume, what food I eat, etc.

CR

Out of curiosity, where would you say that the right tries to control people?

[Devastatin Dave]

Out of curiosity, where would you say that the right tries to control people?

You should open a dictionary and look up the word liberty. Its pretty nifty.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Out of curiosity, where would you say that the right tries to control people?

Drugs, some moral issues (prostitution), some law-and-order crime issues, some homosexuality related cases, the Patriot Act, the War on Terror, National Security, immigration, etc. Neither list was exhaustive, though.

CR

[Gregoshi]

Neither list was exhaustive, though.

In the spirit of the conference, no doubt.

[Fragony]

Typical.

ah, 300 more euro's to Switzerland Africa, courtesy of our ministry of climate-lies NGO's and fraud.

bloody thieves liars', one day we will be comming for you

[Beskar]

So what you've been saying is: all bad and mean things = the right of the spectrum.
All things made of sugar and spice and everything nice = the left side?

Let's take a look at your points.

They want to have a say in where I work

How do you mean? As far as I am aware, they would have no problems, unless you are part of a Mafia family and other obvious examples.

how much I make

Generally they would want to set minimum wage to a level the populace can actually have a life with, which would only benefit you. So how is this bad?

what I learn at schools

This is really strange considering the massive movements from the right in regards to issues such as (un)intelligent design. Basic education requires you be equipped with certain facts for the work places and advanced university, only thing the left would do, is make sure these things are taught opposed to have an unqualified teacher teaching a classes on how Frodo's biblical journey to destroy the ring at Mount Doom. Unless you think that having studies in English, Maths and Science should surrender themselves to the preaches of Frodo. I don't see the problem.

what I have to buy

Where? Apart from plainly obvious things you would have to buy anything, I can't think of anything.

what I can't buy

Well, apart from plainly obvious things again, I can't think of anything. Then again, movements such as Freedom to Smoke Cannabis are on the left, so less drug regulation in that sense, then it would be the left which generally allows abortion, opposed to the right who wants to ban that. Looks like a losing battle in this field.

what I have to pay

How is that different? Both sides of the spectrum in one way or another do this.

who I have to buy from

Shop licences are not a new thing. You have to go to a bar or a shop with alcohol licence to buy alcohol (shops without them can't legally sell it), same with these such as mediciene, which is there to actually protect the consumer. This isn't a left or right issue, really.

what health insurance I have

Actually, the left make it so you don't need Health Insurance, not choose it. It is optional to get Bupa health insurance.

where I can start a business

Again, I doubt your Hitman Business would get much leeway under any government other than a corrupt one. Other then that, there plainly isn't anything there unless you require a licence/health and safety. I doubt having your bakery next to an open air waste treatment plant was a great idea anyway.

how I can run a business

Health and Safety regulation (plainly obvious) Practises against discrimination based on gender, race, etc (plainly obvious) So other than plainly obvious reasons.. where is a problem?

in whether I wear a seatbelt or helmet

LOL, if you really like, don't wear one. However, I will miss you posting on the forum.

where I can smoke

I doubt smoking next to the gas pipeline is a great idea. But things such as "common curtesy" shouldn't go amiss, if you smoke in someones face, they will hit you.

what cars I can own

Cars need to pass an MOT so they are safe for the roads. How is that a bad thing?

what electricity I consume

Are there different kinds?

what food I eat

I am glad anthrax pie is not on the menu.



So yeah, majority of that was just dribble.

[Devastatin Dave]

Yet North Korea, Mao's China, other examples of totalitarian government is not left-wing but actually right-wing along with Mussolini, Franco, Papa Doc and all their friends. It is a sucker when pesky facts in it the way.

Beskar, since you are so much more elite, enlightened, and intelligent then simplistic little ole me, let me what happens when you give your liberty to a government body (one that will tax your "carbon foot" for example) in a simplistic, dumbed down, good ole boy way. You may want to have your wealth, future, and livelyhood DICTATED to you, I don't. I don't ask you to have faith in Jesus, Budda, Muhamed, or Santa Clause, don't ask me to put faith in Global warming.
Global Warming has nothing to do with the enviroment and everything to do about control. But you're too smart to understand this.

[Strike For The South]

Beskar, since you are so much more elite, enlightened, and intelligent then simplistic little ole me, let me what happens when you give your liberty to a government body (one that will tax your "carbon foot" for example) in a simplistic, dumbed down, good ole boy way. You may want to have your wealth, future, and livelyhood DICTATED to you, I don't. I don't ask you to have faith in Jesus, Budda, Muhamed, or Santa Clause, don't ask me to put faith in Global warming.
Global Warming has nothing to do with the enviroment and everything to do about control. But you're too smart to understand this.