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    Default Re: Do as we say, but don't do as we do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Right Equals: No Cartels, no monopolies
    These first two are very interesting, since majority of conservatives want less regulation, however, it is regulation that prevents monopolies and cartels and very many call for no state interventation at all saying it should be the "market forces". However, the absense of regulation mean companies go uncheck as they become above the law in a big way (worse than some practises today) and they form cartels and monopolies, even to a point of running the state and oppressing the people themselves. It is generally the left which calls for greater regulation to prevent economic abuse by businesses and banks and other things, as they believe that oppression and authoritianship is a bad thing.

    (Which goes back to the point, that saying a dictatorship is left-wing is completely invalid, since the left-wing is against authoritarianship, since it doesn't meet the basic criteria, it is obviously not the left.)
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    Yeah yeah. Vista STOP THINKING, you aren't doing anything but thinking I can't use my mouse, opening word is too much to ask, I need my spreadsheet tomorow but Vista can't do that it's too slow, figure it out so I can perform simple tasks I must really open this document to make a few adjustments, why can't I simply open a document without having to wait for an hour only to have my keyboard swapped, I try to change it, when Vista finally understands I really want to adjust the vollume of my speakers it crashes because it is chasing tails it is of absolutely no use it is simply not functional enough for someone who needs to use a computer to perform simple tasks.

    I want my macbook back DO something, a click, it opens, why is that not possible? Why is my cursor on the upper left when I want to write something right here? And I do not mean crashing. Excersise in fultiliy I know, windows crashes that is what windos does when it's not thinking about whatever is troubling it which must be a lot since it just doesn't stop thinking, STOP THINKING you can't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    These first two are very interesting, since majority of conservatives want less regulation, however, it is regulation that prevents monopolies and cartels and very many call for no state interventation at all saying it should be the "market forces". However, the absense of regulation mean companies go uncheck as they become above the law in a big way (worse than some practises today) and they form cartels and monopolies, even to a point of running the state and oppressing the people themselves. It is generally the left which calls for greater regulation to prevent economic abuse by businesses and banks and other things, as they believe that oppression and authoritianship is a bad thing.

    (Which goes back to the point, that saying a dictatorship is left-wing is completely invalid, since the left-wing is against authoritarianship, since it doesn't meet the basic criteria, it is obviously not the left.)
    Look up the Corn Laws for an example of Liberals breaking cartels through removing regulation. Regulation always favours the current system, so large amounts of regulation is always oppressive and leads to an autocratic control of the ecenomy.

    Note, I did not, and have not, said no regulation.

    The modern Left is autocratic in that it oppresses the individual in favour of some nebulous "greater good", decided by the Left itself. I prefer the original Liberals, who had concern for both the individual and society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Regulation always favours the current system, so large amounts of regulation is always oppressive and leads to an autocratic control of the ecenomy.

    Note, I did not, and have not, said no regulation.
    Well, if you don't have regulation on the economy, just like you have regulation on government, you get exploited and manulapated by those with vast amounts of undeserved power. Lots of people tend to forget this, the ones who get hit by regulation are generally not the "common man", it would be the CEO's and other higher managers of the companies. Regulation prevents monoplies, they prevent price fixing, they are there to stop companies trying to exploit their consumers.

    I think the banking crisis is the perfect example of what happens if you don't keep those with vast amounts of power not on a leash. Since all the countries which have tighter regulation got hit no where near as hard and they only got hit due to trade with nations that did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Well, if you don't have regulation on the economy, just like you have regulation on government, you get exploited and manulapated by those with vast amounts of undeserved power. Lots of people tend to forget this, the ones who get hit by regulation are generally not the "common man", it would be the CEO's and other higher managers of the companies. Regulation prevents monoplies, they prevent price fixing, they are there to stop companies trying to exploit their consumers.

    I think the banking crisis is the perfect example of what happens if you don't keep those with vast amounts of power not on a leash. Since all the countries which have tighter regulation got hit no where near as hard and they only got hit due to trade with nations that did.
    You presume I believe in such a thing as, "deserved power", though that begs the question of who people who make money are "undeserving".

    Actual price fixing is done by regulation, collusion is arguably less dangerous because most businesses tend to react when people become too poor/the black market takes over. The government blithly ignores such problems.
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