Alexander VS Rome, who wins?

[L.C. SVLLA]

Well apart from the bit about the allies during the 2nd Punic war you don't seem to have replied to anything my post at all. Anyway during the war quite a few subjegated peoples and allies defected to Hannibal, these include major ones such as Capua (along with most of the Campanians), Syracuse (causing other greek cities in sicilly to revolt as well), the Samnites, the Lucanians, Tarentum and the Bruttians as well as various other cities such as Thurii, Croton and Heraclea among others. While this did in no way represent the majority of their allies it ws still a significant chunk and certainly disproves your rather flippant remark that "History has proved that not even Hannibal could make an ally of Rome turn on them."

Now if Alexander had invaded after his conquests in the east he could rely on the support of most if not all of the Greek cities in the area at the very least, Rome's list of allies on the other hand is much smaller, they have a powerful one in the form of Carthage but apart from that they could only expect support from the Latins and the Campanians. The neighbouring Samnites and what was left of the Etruscans would at best remain neutral and at worst join the invaders (quite likely with the Samnites considering they were warring with Rome at the time), the other Italian peoples would probably keep to themselves.

I do find your belief that the Romans of the time were some kind of super people superior to everyone else in martial and political skill rather odd.
The truth of the matter is that at the time they were a small somewhat unremarkable republic that showed the occasional flash of the greatness they would eventually achieve but at the time that future was in no way certain.

This is the last I shall say on the matter.

aff right. sorry to have skipped you

regarding allies not turning on Rome i wrote that in haste and retracted it. universal rule being never give out 100% guarantees of anything (Rome never lost, Caesar never lost a battle, etc.). southern Italy ran to Hannibal after cannae, Sicily decided to favor Hannibal, the Macedonians decided also to favor Hannibal. however central Italy did not, massilia did not favor Carthage at all and wary of its expansion, and when scipio soon defeated Hannibal lost his Italian allies (almost as soon as he left Italy) and they went back to Rome again. Furthermore did you know, northern Italy, where Hannibal inspired Gauls to raid after Hannibal's victories, was actually pretty quiet? according to(just to cite a source anyway) unrv.com, Rome had good relations with the northern tribes, and any gallo-roman conflict was minor?...it takes either direct conquering or major victories such as cannae to convince an ally of Rome to switch sides, even then Hannibal lost small skirmishes while in Italy.

Rome decided that if Hannibal was too great an enemy to attack directly, then they would attack him in Spain, it just shows the resolve Rome had in them. But everyone should know this, instead they look up to Alexander like a kid his dad...

Also, many people here has agreed or at least mentioned Alexander preparing to invade Carthage, Rome was still fighting their own wars. how long would it take for Alexander to prepare for the invasion, what date he would set it, and how long it would take to destroy Carthage? we won't know, that's an even bigger 'what if' question than OP's post. but be certain Rome was still at war and still gaining experience in its long list of battle around Italy. and if/when Alexander did attack Carthage

Also, do you know why Rome gave up hoplite type armies? sure you do, defeats from more mobile Gauls and samnites, ineffectiveness of the phalanx in rough Italian ground (central Italy being more mountainous than southern Italy, where Phyrrus' famous battles and most of his time were spent including a foray into Sicily). so if we take this reasoning and apply it to Alexanders 'phalangitai' infantry how would he not be at some disadvantage facing Romes army? (which would be veteran if most soldiers did not serve their full time required to be exempt to be called up for further wars). this would be at close to the final stages of the 2 samnites wars or at the end, if you want to say Alexander right away jumped on a ship and told the captain to head straight to Italy...

I do find your belief that the Romans of the time were some kind of super people superior to everyone else in martial and political skill rather odd.

i find it that everyone here thinks Alexander to be some demi-god even stranger. in a room full of pro Macedonians i drew a lot of attention just by saying "Rome would win". also, wouldn't you say Rome was the superior war-like and politically tact city in all of Italy..say if they conquered it? hey look they did...and that's just simple greek logic.

@FLUVIS CAMILLUS: hey how are ya. everyone here giving out RTW facts and half baked opinion you go and tell me give examples? ill take it you didnt read my post as i give so many fact and examples

@LUDENS: OK, ignoring the simple 1 paragraph posts that has magical words such as "Alexandros easily wins" and spectacularly winning a debate by giving one liners.