Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't want to be revived.

I just want to know why I'm dead, that's all. I want SOMEONE to explain why I ended up dying, when it was an ENORMOUS surprise to ME.

Khaan told you that you were lynch immune to mess with you.

[Double A]

Because you sacrificed yourself to save TC?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khaan told you that you were lynch immune to mess with you.

Getting warmer, but no.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Getting warmer, but no.

Someone was supposed to protect you?

[ULC]

Someone was supposed to protect you?

Okay, now your cold little one. I told him he was lynch immune, not Khaan.

[Joooray]

Chaotix did tell me about this supposed ability of his, and asked me if I would be prepared to give up my life to save someone more useful to the town cause. Frankly, I thought he was just testing me to see my reaction, and said that I would (which was true only to the extent that I would die to save someone who I knew to have a useful ability).

Since his death now seems assured (and fully deserved), I won't jump on the bandwagon right now. Instead, I'd going to vote: johnhughthom once more, in the hope that he'll give some reason for his latest unexplained vote.

So Winston tell me, you have some kind of special role that keeps you from voting for anybody else but john? And what happens if he actually dies? Or are you just really cranky?

Anyway, the case against Chaotix seems solid, so I just hop on. Vote: Chaotix.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That was a dirty trick. Totally unnecessary too... so I'm just wondering what was up with that. Wasted lynch round, adding damaged credibility to the person who died... no explanation or apology.

As each round passes without the other shoe dropping, I grow more suspicious and agitated.

[pevergreen]

Just keep swimming.

Vote: Chaotix

[ULC]

That was a dirty trick. Totally unnecessary too... so I'm just wondering what was up with that. Wasted lynch round, adding damaged credibility to the person who died... no explanation or apology.

As each round passes without the other shoe dropping, I grow more suspicious and agitated.

Round and roundabout he goes, where his trail of thought stops, no one knows. Is he doomed to roundabout forever, is he doomed to think and within his thoughts wander?

Oh, am I ever having fun.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The mafia deserve to win this game. Every round is a runaway bandwagon. Since when do we at the org bandwagon without shame? You don't put a whole bunch of votes on someone because then you can't reverse it. You don't lynch someone with the claim that they are lying when they can conceivably prove their ability.

My recommendation: pick one of the bandwagoners and get them to equal votes with chaotix.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Round and roundabout he goes, where his trail of thought stops, no one knows. Is he doomed to roundabout forever, is he doomed to think and within his thoughts wander?

Oh, am I ever having fun.

I recommend killing this guy.

[Thermal]

The mafia deserve to win this game. Every round is a runaway bandwagon. Since when do we at the org bandwagon without shame? You don't put a whole bunch of votes on someone because then you can't reverse it. You don't lynch someone with the claim that they are lying when they can conceivably prove their ability.

My recommendation: pick one of the bandwagoners and get them to equal votes with chaotix.

I agree to a certain extent, unless the case is fool proof we should be prepared for changes of hearts and new info in the round. However I'm not bandwagonning choatix, I placed the first vote. Beside I hate bandwagons too. But either way I think choatix is doomed with the votes hes already got.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or we could kill the guy that lied to me and doesn't care he wasted a round and a life and won't explain why he did it and is obviously not a pro-town role and duly, duly, duly deserves death.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree to a certain extent, unless the case is fool proof we should be prepared for changes of hearts and new info in the round. However I'm not bandwagonning choatix, I placed the first vote. Beside I hate bandwagons too. But either way I think choatix is doomed with the votes hes already got.

This is fatalism, it that a philosophy you agree with?

Three unvotes and revotes from people who are currently voting for chaotix would draw things much closer. If you hated bandwagons, you would remove your vote because it is now contributing to the bandwagon.


Lynching a role that could resurrect pro town roles would be a bad thing, this is a rash bandwagon.

[Winston Hughes]

So Winston tell me, you have some kind of special role that keeps you from voting for anybody else but john? And what happens if he actually dies? Or are you just really cranky?

I am pretty cranky. Not sure if that's why I keep voting for john, or if it's because he really is acting suspiciously. Either way, I figure it's a better move than jumping on whichever bandwagon happens to roll past.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I find that Winston is posting a suspiciously large amount.

[Thermal]

This is fatalism, it that a philosophy you agree with?

Three unvotes and revotes from people who are currently voting for chaotix would draw things much closer. If you hated bandwagons, you would remove your vote because it is now contributing to the bandwagon.


Lynching a role that could resurrect pro town roles would be a bad thing, this is a rash bandwagon.

Well, I don't think fatalism is such a bad strategy in this situation. But If I were to unvote, I would be wanting to find someone else who looks suspicious. Unvoting from someone with a good case against them to a random person isn't much use.

And if we do even it up, fate won't decide, but I'm sure the mafia would. I appear to be useless but in smaller games I can really give it my all, I just simply don't have the time or energy to read the whole thread to look for patterns and spot behavior abnormalities.

[TinCow]

For anyone who wasn't paying attention to my post where I accused Chaotix, Sasaki is one of his mafioso buddies. I suggest ignoring him (no offense, Sasaki ).

[Askthepizzaguy]

As long as YLC is next to go.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

For anyone who wasn't paying attention to my post where I accused Chaotix, Sasaki is one of his mafioso buddies. I suggest ignoring him (no offense, Sasaki ).

I take extreme offense to this. I rarely if ever defend my mafia buddies after being lynched because people always assume the worst. You appear to have caught three mafia in a row TinCow, first GH, then me, and now chaotix. For a pro town role to cop out a debate is dishonorable. I know I joke around, but I'm not now.

1) Why not let chaotix demonstrate his ability? Simple question
2) Please explain which killers you believe GH to be, and which you believe me to be.
3) You no longer believe there is a vigilante yes? This was an important part of your argument yesterday. There were three killers last night, and you claim to have lynched two and roleblocked the other.

[Winston Hughes]

I find that Winston is posting a suspiciously large amount.

By the gods, you're right! Let's lynch the loose-lipped fool before he brings disaster to each and every one of us!!

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Chaotix, Vote: Winston

I find I agree with Sasaki. Whats going on .Org?

Do we, perchance, need to reintroduce the mandatory first vote of Sasaki voting Ichigo, and then the second vote of Ichigo voting Sasaki?

The (now defunct) curse of Kage?

The insults aimed at Lemur?

peverreenk?

[Askthepizzaguy]

When did that Sasaki-Ichigo thing get started? I assume one of them told a big fat lie and the other vowed perpetual revenge?

[ULC]

I recommend killing this guy.

Or we could kill the guy that lied to me and doesn't care he wasted a round and a life and won't explain why he did it and is obviously not a pro-town role and duly, duly, duly deserves death.

As long as YLC is next to go.

My, my, getting personal, are we? If you have some issue with me, take it to PM - no need to bring such messy things out in the open like this.

[TinCow]

I take extreme offense to this. I rarely if ever defend my mafia buddies after being lynched because people always assume the worst. You appear to have caught three mafia in a row TinCow, first GH, then me, and now chaotix. For a pro town role to cop out a debate is dishonorable. I know I joke around, but I'm not now.

1) Why not let chaotix demonstrate his ability? Simple question
2) Please explain which killers you believe GH to be, and which you believe me to be.
3) You no longer believe there is a vigilante yes? This was an important part of your argument yesterday. There were three killers last night, and you claim to have lynched two and roleblocked the other.

1) Do you know of a dead pro-town role to use it on? If not, what's even the point of him proving it if it's just exchanging one dead townie for another?
2) I do not believe GH was a mafioso, it was just a typical erroneous early game lynch.
3) I am currently undecided on whether the killer we call Perseus is a vigilante or not. If he is not, I believe him to be an independent of some kind. I claim to have lynched 1 killer and roleblocked 1 killer. I see 2 mafioso last night, plus Perseus. It fits.

[Chaotix]

Ugh... seriously? Now you think I'm mafia, TinCow?

Well, I'll tell you what. Whether I get lynched or not, you've just screwed the town over by revealing my role. If you thought you might be embarrassed if you were wrong about Sasaki, then you have hit the jackpot of all embarrassing decisions with this move.

And I'll show you why. I'll lay out a nice little list of possible outcomes.

-You lynch me. Congratulations, whether you believe me or not, you, Garuda, and every other pro-town role have lost their only chance at being revived once they die.

-You let me live. In this case, I assume you want me to prove my power is real. Fine. As soon as the mafia sees what I can do, they will try to kill me anyway. And if you try to protect me, then you leave yourself undefended. So we will be constantly playing a guessing game with the mafia over who to protect, and if they are allied, they will simply put a hit on both of us. And then, provided I survive, I will have to sacrifice player after player to keep bringing you back.

What is is you want, exactly? Would you like more information on my role? You have the basic gist of it already.

I cannot account for the absence of Yama, but perhaps it is because he anticipated what you might do. I am not Yama. I am Hortulanes. I am a wandering alchemist, who has learned the secret to create life- and as with all alchemy, it is an equivalent exchange. I must extinguish one life to bring back another. That is all.

[Thermal]

Winston isn't acting that odd, he doesn't lurk either, hes new to the org so he post count will be low, but its hard for you to give a proper judgment yet. And whilst he may seem 'suspicious' suspicious is the game he plays all the time from the few games he has been in.

[TinCow]

Ugh... seriously? Now you think I'm mafia, TinCow?

Well, I'll tell you what. Whether I get lynched or not, you've just screwed the town over by revealing my role. If you thought you might be embarrassed if you were wrong about Sasaki, then you have hit the jackpot of all embarrassing decisions with this move.

Oh, please. You revealed your role to at least 3 people who were about to be lynched. You clearly do not care about your role getting out.

-You lynch me. Congratulations, whether you believe me or not, you, Garuda, and every other pro-town role have lost their only chance at being revived once they die.

Garuda and I agree on this. We don't find you particularly useful and think you're scum. Considering we're the only people your claimed role can even theoretically help, that's not a good sign.

[ULC]

You know what, because I am in the mood not to care, and technically, this will only ruin my fun, I'll reveal. I am capable of redirecting abilities to myself, and am immune to night attacks - however, someone still has to die to fulfill the illusion, if I am attacked - it won't be their original target however.

I am the illusions that the Lamia, a Dog-Like creature, and the Perseus rider have all attacked. I've earned the ire of the mafia already,, which would be the Lamia, and I know for a fact that two people capable of killing are Atheotes (Dog-Creature, possibly Anubis) and CCRunner (Mr fancy pants flying horse rider). Chaotix is more then likely Yama, and as you can see, minus the Lamia, that accounts for all killers.

I am sure TC will be able to find out about the Lamia, but as for me, I've wanted to have fun from the beginning, and simply play out my role. Now I can.

Have fun, mafia scum.

[Winston Hughes]

Unvote: Chaotix, Vote: Winston

I find I agree with Sasaki. Whats going on .Org?

'What's going on?' indeed. I didn't understand any of that post.

Winston isn't acting that odd, he doesn't lurk either, hes new to the org so he post count will be low, but its hard for you to give a proper judgment yet. And whilst he may seem 'suspicious' suspicious is the game he plays all the time from the few games he has been in.

I've been rumbled.