Dear Mods/Admins

[Centurion1]

i dont even look at the bloody babe thread they have clothes on, wheres the fun in that.

[Beefy187]

i dont even look at the bloody babe thread they have clothes on, wheres the fun in that.

Imagine

[Andres]

Let's start from the beginning:

1. You did not inform the tavern when you closed it down. There was many things on there which we ewould have wanted to keep, such as AP and AS's tank debate, my WWII sketch script, and, well, there was 10,000 posts, so being told before it's destruction is at the least polite. Power and head's come to mind here (not for alll mods, but for two in particular that stand out).

At least two Watchtower threads were made in which it was clearly stated that .Org rules apply to social groups.

There was a lot of, pardon my french, filth in the Tavern. We are all volunteers here, most of us have a full time job/are studying, have a wive or girlfriend and many mods also have children. There were way too much messages to go through; since there was also enough filth in the tavern, it was decided to just delete it

We gave you guys the freedom to have your social group and we expected you to moderate yourselves. Apparently, we expected too much. You could have prevented the deletion of the EB Tavern by NOT making so many rule violating messages. You could als have told you fellow .Org taverners when they crossed the line and you could have asked your friends to tone it down; you could have reported bad messages; you could have contacted a moderator about certain issues. None of that happened.

Until one day we took a look and noticed you guys were NOT moderating yourselves and our trust and confidence were grossly abused.

Don't blame us for deleting the EB Tavern, please.

2. You then seemed to go on a banning spree when the taverners, understandably annoyed, questioned why on earth you'd delete it. I was banned for a month (completely ridiculous. A month. A MONTH. And still no-one as actually given me a reason as to why.), as was AP, subotan, and I'm sure more. This stinks, frankly, and if you can't see how it is wrong then I don't know what to say. Purging people because you don't like opinions, I thought at least, was confined to the history books, or at least China. I do not expect a personal apology, but I do expect an apology to the tavern in general.

We didn't purge people because their opinions were not liked by staff. We didn't purge anyone.

There were rule violations and action has been taken. Your perception is wrong.

3. The Coup. I've just found out about this, but frankly Tosa, this is ridiculous. Are you really so sanctimonious to act as overwatch for what you have just destroyed for fear of opinions? Throwing Meth off this board (after, of course, throwing me off, how very nice of you) does seem to demonstrate a certain control freak aspect. The fact is Tosa, you cannot control people. You are not God, you are a mod, now just let the rest of us be, and all parties will benefit. I would also like to point out, that throwing people out of a group because you do not agree with them is both childish and petty.

"The Coup"? Really

The Second EB Tavern (in fact the 5th or 6th?) was better than the previous one, but still not good enough.

Moderators posted in there to explain the rules and to ask you guys to respect the rules. Those posts were deleted by the person who "maintained" the group, while posts containing swear words and other violations were not.

Since Meth apparently wasn't capable of moderating the group, just like the previous person who maintained the group, btw, we had to decide: delete it again and no more EB Tavern or have a staff member moderate it.

Tosa saved your precious EB Tavern. Instead of yelling at him, you should be thankful.

I have noticed that the mods here (again, I must stress, not all) have a certain banophilic tendency when faced with an adult conversation beteween adults on a mostly adult section of the site.

There is no such thing as an "adult section" on this site.

Unless some of you lie about their birth date, some of you are also not adults.

The tavern, remember, was created to keep spam, flaming and such off the org, which it has done, at least to some extent, and you cannot deny that. If swearing offends you, fine, but good luck in the real world. If jokes offend you, don't read on. Being offended for the sake of being offended is ridiculous eenough, but then taking action? That's, well, DAFT.

It's called Guild rules and enforcing them. You agreed with those rules when creating an account.

If you don't like our rules, you have only two options:
a) swallow your pride and accept;
b) leave

Another thing that I find almost sickening is the complet hipocracy of the mods here. You complained to the Tavern about sexism (where?), and yet you have 'The Babe Thread'. You let bigots such as Fragony and Trolls such as Prussian Iron to continue unchecked, but yet whenever someone who does not brown nose anything with power comes along and make the same, if not tamer, remarks, anfd you ban them, that that, my friends is BLATANT hypocrisy.

The Babe thread is strictly regulated.

I suggest you edit out your personal attacks against fellow .Org members.

I expect that either Tosa or Lemur, due to the dangerous level of opinion in this post, will either delete it or ban me. That, or take me out the back and shoot me in the back of the skull with a 9mm, which would certainly please both of them. But I will repost if it is deleted, as opinions have 2 outcomes. Either they stay forever, or are countered. You cannot fight opinion with fire.

Again, there's no need for those personal attacks against fellow .Org members. Those accusations are way out of line. Nobody here will shoot you with a 9mm.

I hate to use such a cheap expression, but it does aptly describe the situation, but, to mods, taverners and general .orgers: Man up, and grow a pair.

If you hate it, than don't use such expressions. It's inappropriate, not civil and very disrespectful. They also, technically, violate .Org rules.

[Fragony]

You let bigots such as Fragony and Trolls such as Prussian Iron to continue unchecked, but yet whenever someone who does not brown nose anything with power comes along and make the same, if not tamer, remarks, anfd you ban them, that that, my friends is BLATANT hypocrisy.

So who the hell are you then? I keep to the rules, I get a warning if I don't, I do not go unchecked I get the same treatment as everybody else. If you are too much of a wuss for the backroom stay the hell out. This is not only insulting for me but also for the moderators. Love your commitment to free speech by the way.

[Cute Wolf]

You let bigots such as Fragony and Trolls such as Prussian Iron to continue unchecked, but yet whenever someone who does not brown nose anything with power comes along and make the same, if not tamer, remarks, anfd you ban them, that that, my friends is BLATANT hypocrisy.

So who the hell are you then? I keep to the rules, I get a warning if I don't, I do not go unchecked I get the same treatment as everybody else. If you are too much of a wuss for the backroom stay the hell out. This is not only insulting for me but also for the moderators.

And Fragony was actually a really nice guy if you want to know

Come on... everyone here is a friend .... just don't insult anyone too much...

[Hosakawa Tito]

Shoo fly.

[TosaInu]

Hello,

As far as I know, noone is banned there. And noone is either banned or demoted from voicing his opinion. No one is talked to for having a different opinion. For the record: noone has eve been banned by me for voicing an opinion. Sure, it may look so in a few cases, but there's always been a much deeper story behind it. Think very colorful language, hacking, harassing, intimidation, lying, ad hominem, violation of privacy, breaking of contracts, posting porn and the list goes on.

A few have been demoted for how things were said and probably also for calling for 'action' (it's a month or more ago, I recall something about that). And even there I applied some 'haven't seen', because The old Tavern did also contain good and I understand people getting upset about the deletion (they would anyway, I know).

You Che, created the second Tavern. But from your behaviour, it's clear to me that you can't have a positive effect on that social group by being leader. You received an 8 pointer and a custom demotion of a month for being hostile, using bad language and thinking you could delete my messages in the social group calling for the group to play nice.

Administrators are given more rights by a script than normal members. This forumsoftware is no exception. An example: administrators can make you say: 'I love daisies and noone in the world would ever know it wasn't you'. Normal members have to hack your account to do that (they risk perma banning when caught, 100/100 now). But for administrators it's a very simple job.

Similarly, I don't have to go through all the hassle when appointing a moderator or social group leader. It's a simple push of one button and the script does the rest. The normal procedure with social group leaders is that any member who is one, can invite another to take over. It's using the PM system and ID's then. I'm guessing the administrative tool is such that once the administrator hits the red button, that the current leader is removed and a is forced to send an invitation PM to another member to take over. That could be seen as a courtesy gesture from the designers of the script. I don't have to do anything fishy or cover up.


You were not banned, but demoted. That means you have a very limited set of permissions around here.Childish? Oh yes. That childish reaction gradually developed during years in response to Hitler crying rebels. Not for sharing their opinion, but for plain terrorizing this site.

You were thrown out of the group by me for some colorful language you used there. The way you said things, not what you said. When I let it slip, the whole group will spiral down and it won't be too long or it will have to be deleted again. It won't be allowed to start another time when that happens.

[Subotan]

There was a lot of, pardon my french, filth in the Tavern. We are all volunteers here, most of us have a full time job/are studying, have a wive or girlfriend and many mods also have children. There were way too much messages to go through; since there was also enough filth in the tavern, it was decided to just delete it
.

There was a lot of cool stuff in there as well. A lot more.

Since Meth apparently wasn't capable of moderating the group, just like the previous person who maintained the group, btw, we had to decide: delete it again and no more EB Tavern or have a staff member moderate it.
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You honestly expected Meth to be a good moderator?
Btw, I posted my wilingness to be the mod on numerous occasions.

Tosa saved your precious EB Tavern. Instead of yelling at him, you should be thankful.

Not true. Activity has massively declined since before the "coup". The poor little guy is on life support.

As far as I know, noone is banned there.

I think there is confusion as to what actually constitutes a ban. From our point of view, a 3 day ban is a ban.

A few have been demoted for how things were said and probably also for calling for 'action' (it's a month or more ago, I recall something about that).

Action? Huh? The most extreme action I can think of is poor Fixiwee's attempts to create a refuge.

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And even there I applied some 'haven't seen', because The old Tavern did also contain good and I understand people getting upset about the deletion (they would anyway, I know).

The main problem as I see it is that we were not informed about what was going to happen. E.g. The Tavern was deleted. There was no explanation as to why. Likewise, when you took over moderation of the tavern, we were not even notified. Although you might not have meant this, it gave the impression that we weren't worth an explation, hence the outbursts.

[Fragony]

And Fragony was actually a really nice guy if you want to know

What went wrong :P

You are just saying that because I gave you every picture that appeared in the Playboy of the last 4 years, which I am willing to share with everone, except Che Roriniho.

pm will do.

[Cute Wolf]

What went wrong :P

You are just saying that because I gave you every picture that appeared in the Playboy of the last 4 years, which I am willing to share with everone, except Che Roriniho.

pm will do.

LOL!!! He's crying for it frag...