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    Master of Few Words Senior Member KukriKhan's Avatar
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    Default Re: Secular Society Threatened?

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    When a cleric interferes with my exercising my right to free speech by having the cheek to try and squeeze in a word or two I fully expect the police to teach him some manners through a lavish use of the baton.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuIU...eature=related
    Pree-zactly. How else could Luther have had the unobstructed RIGHT to nail his 95 feces to the Wittenberg Church? Because he helped PAY for the danged door, that's how.

    Quote Originally Posted by E_MFM
    The government shouldn't build them,
    I think you and I and Louis, and many here, agree with this assumption of what we see as obvious truth. Nevertheless, we three have been North americanized to one extent or another, so may be biased... and many western European countries continue to build and subsidize places of worship. (Leading me to wonder about E.Europe, Asia & Africa)

    I appreciate your further contribution:

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    ...because then there is no problem. It should be private. Then the church is within their rights to keep the atheist man out if they so desire. Now, if the atheist is using his right to free speech to disrupt a service or to cause a disruption as per public order and riot laws, then he should be removed by the police. If, after hours, he wishes to have a civil discussion with a clergyman, he should not be arrested and I do not know of any clergyman that would refuse.*

    *Unless, of course, the clergyman was being harassed by the atheist.


    but respectfully submit that it misses the question: What is the duty of The State in this matter? To build, therefore to maintain, therefore to protect from harm, some facility for the exercise of free speech of a select group, to the theoretical suppression of the rest of the population, or some portion thereof?

    However, the spirit of your post answers the question brilliantly: "Don't do it; problems arise, which gov't has no business solving" (to paraphrase).

    So, then the question: Since you guys (Europeans) are still building and subsidizing church-type buildings and organizations... how can you get out of the business, if you desire?
    Last edited by KukriKhan; 02-06-2010 at 05:49.
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