Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Joooray]

Am I right in thinking that this round is over and we're just waiting on a 'khaan write-up?

Not being able to talk freely is killing me... this has been a good end game.

I'm not so sure, 'khaan has waited for a decisive vote being cast before.

Was CCRunner pro-town or a serial killer (other mafia family?)

As I said, as far as I know he was a sk/neutral and opted to work with TC because he didn't want to kill innocent people. Before revealing to TC he was, as I said, gone for a few rounds and then targeted Diamondeye, as he was the second highest in the lynch vote, but the order was redirected. Then he targeted TC because he assumed he would be protected as TC revealed his role and then killed Diamondeye, again because he had the second most vote during the lynch.

[Andres]

Am I right in thinking that this round is over and we're just waiting on a 'khaan write-up?

Not being able to talk freely is killing me... this has been a good end game.

I think it is a tie, so whoever breaks the tie ends the round.

That's why I'm very interested in CCRunners' allignment.

From what I understand, Pscyhonaut was the partner of a serial killer (or part of another mafia family).

Sigurd is starting to sound scummy, but Psychonaut behaved scummy AND he has the "partner of a killer" thingy pleading against him.

[TinCow]

That is true, but I can only repeat what CCRunner told TC via PM. I think it was suspected, that the W_E was killed by the person that later continued killing with the help of dead players.

I'm pretty sure it's entirely legal for you to post any PM I sent you.

[Joooray]

I'm pretty sure it's entirely legal for you to post any PM I sent you.

Alright then:

Here are a couple confessions for you to store for emergencies. I don't anticipate any, but just to be sure.

I am the vigilante riding the white horse. I'm Bellerephron actually, not perseus but the idea is the same. I'm actually a vigilante with a twist however-- there are a limited number of nights which I can elect to not kill before going insane and murdering quite a few people along with myself. Plus each night I don't kill adds a 20% chance of me being a bomb if I'm lynched so yeah, that's why I'm active at night.

So yeah, basically here's my kill explanations:

First couple of nights I was skiing so no kills.
I targeted DE for being the second highest vote getter but it was somehow redirected.
I targeted you-- It was right after you revealed so I figured you'd be protected for the night thus eliminating the insane thing while still not killing anyone.
I obviously just killed DE-- He was the second place vote getter.

I think that's all of them? For the record, failed attempts don't count as me not killing so there is no danger of me going insane if that's the route you wish to take. I just have to send in a kill order. Not sure about roleblocking but I'd assume it works the same

CCRunner has confirmed he is killing atheotes, atheotes has confirmed he is attacking (and hopefully killing) YLC, and YLC is using his thing on Psychonaut for this reason:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I just realized something... Lamia did not appear on N1. On N1, I blocked Psychonaut. Psychonaut abandoned the bandwagon on Chaotix when it looked like Sasaki was getting some traction, but then switched back to Chaotix when it became obvious he would be lynched. He also did not vote for Sasaki until very late in the game. That behavior would make sense if he was their partner.

I'd like to suggest that he be your target tonight. If we see Lamia in your illusion, we'll have ID our last mafioso.

How interesting - after you revealed your targets, the following night I was tempted to go and check back on them. If Psychonaut is Lamia, then we will have won the game - I'll do it.

For my part, I'm blocking Sigurd. I need CCRunner, atheotes, YLC, and Psychonaut all free to do their actions, so I can't pick someone who's a known suspect. Sigurd was a random choice. Let's hope this thing works right, because after tonight I'm going to have a lot of explaining to do, regardless of how it turns out.

[Sigurd]

I only follow the combination of gut and logic.

Yes... it could seem that Psychonaut was aiding a serial killer. Yes it appears that Joooray could have been working in a Mafia faction led by TinCow... I remember last game quite vividly.
( oh the shame ).

Worst case scenario is that Joooray and Psychonaut are on the same team and the other Mafia faction is cheering them on. Great game TinCow... you kept me on to the last as a repeat of last time.

I don't know if I should cry or laugh...

[Joooray]

I only follow the combination of gut and logic.

Yes... it could seem that Psychonaut was aiding a serial killer. Yes it appears that Joooray could have been working in a Mafia faction led by TinCow... I remember last game quite vividly.
( oh the shame ).

Worst case scenario is that Joooray and Psychonaut are on the same team and the other Mafia faction is cheering them on. Great game TinCow... you kept me on to the last as a repeat of last time.

I don't know if I should cry or laugh...

There just seriously NO way you can seriously assume THAT from the way the game went.

It rather seems to me, someone is out of arguments.

[Sigurd]

There just seriously NO way you can seriously assume THAT from the way the game went.

It rather seems to me, someone is out of arguments.

Well... CCRunner obviously lied about not killing in the first round - and the PM came from TinCow. This does enforce this suspicion.
Were you and TinCow on the same team from the onset? Like CCRunner and Psychonaut?
And which round did TinCow block me?
Why wasn't Psychonaut in your "pro-town" group?

[Andres]

I only follow the combination of gut and logic.

Yes... it could seem that Psychonaut was aiding a serial killer. Yes it appears that Joooray could have been working in a Mafia faction led by TinCow... I remember last game quite vividly.
( oh the shame ).

Worst case scenario is that Joooray and Psychonaut are on the same team and the other Mafia faction is cheering them on. Great game TinCow... you kept me on to the last as a repeat of last time.

I don't know if I should cry or laugh...

Or maybe Psychonaut is YOUR partner, hm?

I don't see how you could possibly maintain that Joooray has to be guilty.

[TinCow]

I just realized that my policy of posting everything important I had in the thread was actually useful... I posted most of my conversation with CCRunner here at the very bottom. That discusses the issue about him not being the N1 spear killer. Compare the N1 kill with the other descriptions of Bellerophon... there seem to be differences which would stand up with his story. Since the search feature is disabled, I'll also say that before the forums were upgraded I checked CCRunner's posts, and he was indeed silent across the forum for a few days including the beginning rounds of this game. That fits with him being away skiing.

[Sigurd]

Or maybe Psychonaut is YOUR partner, hm?

I don't see how you could possibly maintain that Joooray has to be guilty.

That would make me ... what?
The pink pony with fluffy rainbow mane and tail and stars painted on my and would put me smack in the middle of the CCRunner - Psychonaut group?

I think not...

[naut]

Well... CCRunner obviously lied about not killing in the first round

Actually. CCRunner was out of town. You'll notice that he didn't participate in the first round.

Tally:

Seon 6 (Yaro, Captain C, Sasaki, Chaotix, ATPG, GH)
GH 5 (YLC, Diamondeye, Winston Hughes, Scienter, Thermal)
Winston Hughes 3 (Johnhughthom, CDF, Beefy)
Tincow 3 (splitpersonality, pevergreen, A1Unit)
Diamondeye 2 (Beskar, Jooray)
Sasaki 2 (Andres, Kralizec)
Beskar 1 (Winston Hughes)
Csargo 1 (Sprig)
ATPG 1 (Seon)
Jooray 1 (Scottishranger)
YLC 1 (Tincow)
Double A 1 (Peasant Phill)
Yaro 1 (Sigurd)
Scienter 1 (CB)
Captain C 1 (Atheotes)
Split 1 (acin)

No CCRunner.

[Sigurd]

Actually. CCRunner was out of town. You'll notice that he didn't participate in the first round.


No CCRunner.

That is not evidence ... He chose not to vote that round.
Do you deny the fact that White_eyes:D was killed by someone who appeared to be CCRunner on night 1? (The sword and shield should be a clue)

[seireikhaan]

I'm going to give another five hours from now to have the tie broken. I'm not going to wait forever on Double A. If the tie still stands, well, it'll be a surprise.

[Beskar]

I bet everyone will have a chuckle at my voting pattern.

[naut]

Do you deny the fact that White_eyes:D was killed by someone who appeared to be CCRunner on night 1? (The sword and shield should be a clue)

The lack of a horse is also a clue. The N1 spear guy isn't CCRunner.

[Sigurd]

I just realized that my policy of posting everything important I had in the thread was actually useful... I posted most of my conversation with CCRunner here at the very bottom. That discusses the issue about him not being the N1 spear killer. Compare the N1 kill with the other descriptions of Bellerophon... there seem to be differences which would stand up with his story. Since the search feature is disabled, I'll also say that before the forums were upgraded I checked CCRunner's posts, and he was indeed silent across the forum for a few days including the beginning rounds of this game. That fits with him being away skiing.

I didn't see that post... hmmm.

You know, I have a very hard time trusting you as you are capable of forging anything.
Last time we played Netherworld, you were the new player - and tricked both Kommodus and I in the very last round. I don't think any of us has quite recovered from that.

So it could be anyone actually...

[Joooray]

Were you and TinCow on the same team from the onset? Like CCRunner and Psychonaut?
And which round did TinCow block me?
Why wasn't Psychonaut in your "pro-town" group?

1. No, I revealed my role to him after he revealed his inside the thread.
2. The night Atheotes and CCRunner died, N6 that is.
3. I was not aware of any role Psycho had before he revealed recently, neither was TC, as far as I know. He couldn't have helped anyway, since his ability was limited to CCRunner apparently.

[Sigurd]

3. I was not aware of any role Psycho had before he revealed recently, neither was TC, as far as I know. He couldn't have helped anyway, since his ability was limited to CCRunner apparently.

Don't you think it strange that CCRunner never told you guys about his steed?

[Joooray]

Don't you think it strange that CCRunner never told you guys about his steed?

True, but if I were him I'd also keep that a secret as it could be my last resort after all. Also, as far as I know, TC was not in contact that long, so he might have been unsure about TC. Finally he might have suspected TC of sending someone after him as he was kind of a dangerous character and kept it secret as a precaution.
As I said, I'm still not entirely sure about Psychos claim, but it all adds up for me at the moment, you on the other hand get more scummy from post to post and I'd like Andres to reconsider his vote.

[Sigurd]

True, but if I were him I'd also keep that a secret as it could be my last resort after all. Also, as far as I know, TC was not in contact that long, so he might have been unsure about TC. Finally he might have suspected TC of sending someone after him as he was kind of a dangerous character and kept it secret as a precaution.
As I said, I'm still not entirely sure about Psychos claim, but it all adds up for me at the moment, you on the other hand get more scummy from post to post and I'd like Andres to reconsider his vote.

Yeah sure.. I am getting scummier for gathering intel. Intel you have sat on for a long time but not shared.

TinCow's post references the name Bellerephron.
If I were to create a role and did a little research, I too could have answered your question about the name of whom I served.

The persecution rests.

Double A should end this,
OR better - let's see which surprise 'khaan has in store for us.

If both Psycho and I are lynched - that means the killer wins, right? if he is not Psycho that is.

[naut]

Don't you think it strange that CCRunner never told you guys about his steed?

Two reason's:

- We felt that as TinCow was a female mythological figure, there was the off-chance that he was actually Lamia.
- My role is limited to protecting him. I have no ulterior motives.

If both Psycho and I are lynched - that means the killer wins, right? if he is not Psycho that is.

Not necessarily. If we are both who we say we are. So there will be Andres, Joooray and Double A left. I think as Joooray is pro-town the Mafia will not have a winning ratio. And there could yet be one more day phase, depending on if the Mafia successfully kills one of them during the night. As Joooray can protect himself or the townie, it's a bit like Russian Roulette. But, that's just speculation.

[Joooray]

Yeah sure.. I am getting scummier for gathering intel. Intel you have sat on for a long time but not shared.

Yeah sure, I go around trumping all those things to make myself a target, also the topic didn't come up so far and thus it was now the right time to reveal these informations, not before.
And it's not that you do, but the way you do it.

TinCow's post references the name Bellerephron.
If I were to create a role and did a little research, I too could have answered your question about the name of whom I served.

Well, in the thread it was speculated that the rider was Perseus. The actual name was, to my knowledge, only stated in this PM. Thus, I figure him knowing the actual role is at least some evidence to support his claim.

[atheotes]

At that point Atheotes, YLC and CCRunner had revealed to TC. Atheotes claimed to be a vigilante with task to kill Hades and being the only one able to kill him. TC suspected YLC to be Hades. CCRunner claimed to be the vigilante riding the horse that attacked him before, he assumed TC would be protect and thus choose him as a target. TC arranged the following: Atheotes would target YLC, CCRunner would target Atheotes and YLC would target Psychonaut, as there was some question about his, because there was no kill by the guy with the shield and the sword night one when TC blocked Psychonaut. But this was due to CCRunner being on holiday during the first few turn.

Looking at this setup, Psycho might indeed been unable to protect CCRunner that night.

In that case you will have to think about why YLC targeted Scienter instead of Psychonaut

i too would like to see the town since i dont like emergent mafia.

Edit: nevermind...YLC's passive abilit of being immune to nightkill was the reason Scienter was killed. the fact that YLC redirected psychonaut's protection onto himself meant CCRunner was not protected... I am surprise why CCRunner did reveal Psychonaut to TC hope i got it right this time.

[Sigurd]

Not necessarily. If we are both who we say we are. So there will be Andres, Joooray and Double A left. I think as Joooray is pro-town the Mafia will not have a winning ratio. And there could yet be one more day phase, depending on if the Mafia successfully kills one of them during the night. As Joooray can protect himself or the townie, it's a bit like Russian Roulette. But, that's just speculation.

Well...
If Joooray is who he say he is - then the killer will kill him, which leaves only two players left... Traditionally this gives the victory to the remaining mafia.

[naut]

I'm willing to risk this surprise. You suspect me, and I suspect you. There's a 2/4 chance it's either one of us. 50/50 are odds I'm willing to gamble on.

If it's neither of us, Andres can reflect on a game well played.

[TinCow]

In that case you will have to think about why YLC targeted Scienter instead of Psychonaut

You need to re-read that phase's discussion. Scienter died as a result of your attack on YLC. YLC did not pick who the attacks got deflected on, he only picked the person whose action would be deflected. As was clearly discussed after that phase, you attacked YLC which resulted in a deflection killing Scienter.

[Beskar]

I never seen Scienter around since then. TinCow as well Curse you YLC!!!!

All 3 of them never signed up to my game. :P

[atheotes]

You need to re-read that phase's discussion. Scienter died as a result of your attack on YLC. YLC did not pick who the attacks got deflected on, he only picked the person whose action would be deflected. As was clearly discussed after that phase, you attacked YLC which resulted in a deflection killing Scienter.

yes... looks like you responded when i was editing my post.

[Sigurd]

I'm willing to risk this surprise. You suspect me, and I suspect you. There's a 2/4 chance it's either one of us. 50/50 are odds I'm willing to gamble on.

If it's neither of us, Andres can reflect on a game well played.

Yes this should be interesting... All though lynching both of us wouldn't be much of a surprise, or letting random org decide for that matter. We expect something spectacular 'khaan.

[GeneralHankerchief]

There are too many moderators playing this game. You all look alike.