Human rights violation in Germany (homeschooling issue)

[Subotan]

An unelected leader isn't authoritarian in your opinion?

Fear the tyranny of Harald V!

Furnuculus is right, the Queen barely does anything. No need to confuse the head of the state with the head of the government. What exactly does the Queen 'rule' over? She cannot even take sides in politics, much less rule people... Britain is not authoritarian at all, and they have a long history of being not authoritarian. Even back when constitutional monarchy granted more rights to the royalty, the British were at the forefront of the free nations.

People who spend their lives arguing that the Queen is authoritarian would better serve the world by protesting against real authoritarian regimes.

[HoreTore]

Fear the tyranny of Harald V!

Indeed!

The only good monarch is a dead monarch. They should be given the choice to abdicate before their head is chopped off though...

[Aemilius Paulus]

People who spend their lives arguing that the Queen is authoritarian would better serve the world by protesting against real authoritarian regimes.

Well yeah, but when the argument necessitates an attack on England, then the said person must make it appear as if Britain is authoritarian...

They should be given the choice to abdicate before their head is chopped off though...

How gracious of you

I doubt they would be equally generous if they were to learn of your plot... Not unless you consider a bullet in the back from SIS generous...

[HoreTore]

I doubt they would be equally generous if they were to learn of your plot... Not unless you consider a bullet in the back from SIS generous...

The only power our monarch has is to decide whether the socks on the military galla uniform should be green or black(he insisted on green).

So.... Can't say I'm very afraid....

[Aemilius Paulus]

The only power our monarch has is to decide whether the socks on the military galla uniform should be green or black(he insisted on green).

If you agree they have so little power, why do you accuse them of being authoritarian? I mean, I have no love for monarchs, just as you, and I would get rid if of them if I could, but this? EDIT: Wait, nvm, you said your monarch - I see .

So.... Can't say I'm very afraid....

Yeah, I was jesting.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Well, you know, we're not the ones with CCTV all over the place, but then that is not my problem as I'm not British...

I think we can safely say that Germany and Britain are both far too authoritarian, but in slightly different ways, and leave it at that.

EDIT: And HoreTore, European monarchs, with one or two exceptions, are forced (rightly or wrongly, I'm not taking sides at this moment) kowtow so much to their legislatures that they are probably more democratic than your average appointed government official, EU officials, and even some European Presidents.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I think we can safely say that Germany and Britain are both far too authoritarian, but in slightly different ways, and leave it at that.

Sheesh, I know the importance consensus building, and I was taking quite a step by siding with Furnuculus, but this ? If Germany and Britain are 'far' too authoritarian, then who is libertarian? . I mean, most other European liberal democracies are overburdened with gov't regulation, etc, with UK and Germany usually compared favourably in this regard (i.e. the two nations are more libertarian than the rest).

And hell, I am not even speaking about the rest of the world . US is often cited as the most libertarian country on Earth, and it is true IMHO - unless some very minor state such as some Pacific island-nation or European Monaco are more libertarian, which I am not sure if they are (esp. the Pacific ones).

[HoreTore]

I think we can safely say that Germany and Britain are both far too authoritarian, but in slightly different ways, and leave it at that.

EDIT: And HoreTore, European monarchs, with one or two exceptions, are forced (rightly or wrongly, I'm not taking sides at this moment) kowtow so much to their legislatures that they are probably more democratic than your average appointed government official, EU officials, and even some European Presidents.

Bah, European monarchs are nothing more than scum who prefers to live off my tax money instead of getting a job and earn some money themselves.

I have a problem paying 250 million NOK a year to a guy who's only job is to decide the colour of the army's socks.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Bah, European monarchs are nothing more than scum who prefers to live off my tax money instead of getting a job and earn some money themselves.

This I do wholly agree with, but traditions die hard, especially today, with no violent depositions occuring in EU countries...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Bah, European monarchs are nothing more than scum who prefers to live off my tax money instead of getting a job and earn some money themselves.

I have a problem paying 250 million NOK a year to a guy who's only job is to decide the colour of the army's socks.

Ours have jobs, the Queen and Charles are wealthy landowners, Andrew has dabbled in a few things and Edward owns a television company.

[HoreTore]

Ours have jobs, the Queen and Charles are wealthy landowners, Andrew has dabbled in a few things and Edward owns a television company.

Since when is "landowner" a job...?

Chop their heads off. They only have those things because their ancestors stole stuff anyway.

[Husar]

Since when is "landowner" a job...?

Chop their heads off. They only have those things because their ancestors stole stuff anyway.

So if I can find an ancestor of yours who stole stuff, I'm free to lob your head off?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Since when is "landowner" a job...?

Chop their heads off. They only have those things because their ancestors stole stuff anyway.

How about our beloved Banquo? He works very hard managing his estate, and all his workers are probably very glad it's him in charge; a man who was quite litterally born into his responsibilities.

[HoreTore]

So if I can find an ancestor of yours who stole stuff, I'm free to lob your head off?

Sure, be my guest, my family line is cut short in the middle of the 19th century, since I'm descended from bastards with no known origin...

How about our beloved Banquo? He works very hard managing his estate, and all his workers are probably very glad it's him in charge; a man who was quite litterally born into his responsibilities.

I have no idea what Banqou is up to, but if he's a feudal overlord; sure, lob his head off and take his stuff. But he does sound a little to literate to be an inbred....

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sure, be my guest, my family line is cut short in the middle of the 19th century, since I'm descended from bastards with no known origin...

Well then you're almost certainly descended from the aristocracy.

I have no idea what Banqou is up to, but if he's a feudal overlord; sure, lob his head off and take his stuff. But he does sound a little to literate to be an inbred....

Banquo is an Irish Aristocrat, his family has managed to maintain it's estates etc. for centuries.

Your reaction shows your objection is based on blind ideology.

[HoreTore]

Well then you're almost certainly descended from the aristocracy.

negative, there is no aristocracy in existance in Norway, and hasn't been for centuries. The conclusion was a criminal and a prostitute who ran into hiding, IIRC...

Banquo is an Irish Aristocrat, his family has managed to maintain it's estates etc. for centuries.

Your reaction shows your objection is based on blind ideology.

Bah. I fully stand by my constitution, where it states that the aristocracy should not be tolerated. I would have absolutely no objection to the british government doing the same and taking away every mention of hereditary titles within it's system and laws.

[Husar]

negative, there is no aristocracy in existance in Norway, and hasn't been for centuries. The conclusion was a criminal and a prostitute who ran into hiding, IIRC...

A thief perhaps? *sharpens axe*

I agree that you don't really seem to have much more to offer than blind following of some ideal, chopping peoples' heads of doesn't exactly make the world a better place.

[HoreTore]

A thief perhaps? *sharpens axe*

I agree that you don't really seem to have much more to offer than blind following of some ideal, chopping peoples' heads of doesn't exactly make the world a better place.

Blind following an ideal? I believe that every man should be equal before the law. I will happily follow that ideal blindly.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Banquo is an aristocrat?

And to think I trusted him because he knew some Russian. Let this be a lesson to me so I would never let my guard down...

*tightens the rope, sharpens the blade of the guillotine* Let's do it, HoreTore *nods*





Seriously? Banquo better have an answer...





Wait a sec, if he is an aristocrat, how did he recognise the m'at enough to give me an infraction? He cannot speak that language. Only someone who has been around the lowest scum knows it. Mighty suspicious if you ask me...

[drone]

And to think I trusted him because he knew some Russian. Let this be a lesson to me so I would never let my guard down...
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Wait a sec, if he is an aristocrat, how did he recognise the m'at enough to give me an infraction? He cannot speak that language. Only someone who has been around the lowest scum knows it. Mighty suspicious if you ask me...

If I remember correctly, his wife is Russian, so it's a fair cop.

[Aemilius Paulus]

If I remember correctly, his wife is Russian, so it's a fair cop.

Shoot, I know that, I was keeping quiet about it because there is a thing called courtesy and I do not reveal what personal details a member reveals to me in a PM...

But if you heard him say it in public, then I suppose it is fair game. I, however, did not receive that knowledge on a thread, but in a PM from him, so I follow the etiquette and do not mention it on a thread where everyone else can read it. If Banquo chooses to reveal it himself, that is fine, but I have no such right.

[Centurion1]

Wait a sec, if he is an aristocrat, how did he recognise the m'at enough to give me an infraction? He cannot speak that language. Only someone who has been around the lowest scum knows it. Mighty suspicious if you ask me...

Psh i know some m'at and im an aqcuired speaker. dirty that is. Oh wait my grandmother was a peasant....... she just thinks shes the last of the romanovs

[Aemilius Paulus]

Psh i know some m'at and im an aqcuired speaker. dirty that is. Oh wait my grandmother was a peasant....... she just thinks shes the last of the romanovs

Hehe, well, as well all know, the first thing people learn in a foreign language is the cursing. I speak three to five langauges (three fluently, other just conversationally), but I can curse in more than ten, at the very least. I made a point of actually sitting down and learning each curse. I never curse in English, not in my speech. Not kidding. Nor do I use those awkward and undisputedly lame minced oaths or other substitutions that a Southern religious persons often employ. Instead I curse in borderline-vulgar foreign curses (from the langauges I do not speak).

So no surprise that you know m'at, but Banquo, as an aristocrat, should be above that. Then again, he was in the armed forces (he said this in a thread on the Berlin Wall), so...

[Husar]

Blind following an ideal? I believe that every man should be equal before the law. I will happily follow that ideal blindly.

Exactly, and how does that relate to killing them for the sins of their forefathers?

[HoreTore]

Exactly, and how does that relate to killing them for the sins of their forefathers?

You of all people should know when I'm not being entirely serious, Husar

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

negative, there is no aristocracy in existance in Norway, and hasn't been for centuries. The conclusion was a criminal and a prostitute who ran into hiding, IIRC...

I said aristocracy, not nobility. We don't have nobility at all in Britain anyway, just aristocracy.

Bah. I fully stand by my constitution, where it states that the aristocracy should not be tolerated. I would have absolutely no objection to the british government doing the same and taking away every mention of hereditary titles within it's system and laws.

Banquo and men like him have inherrited intact estates, neither they nor their ancestors were stupid. They look after their dependents and they deserve respect for their achievements, given the number of noble and aristocratic families who have managed to carelessly lose everything.

Shoot, I know that, I was keeping quiet about it because there is a thing called courtesy and I do not reveal what personal details a member reveals to me in a PM...

But if you heard him say it in public, then I suppose it is fair game. I, however, did not receive that knowledge on a thread, but in a PM from him, so I follow the etiquette and do not mention it on a thread where everyone else can read it. If Banquo chooses to reveal it himself, that is fine, but I have no such right.

Banquo has been flatteringly candid over the years, we know, for example, that his wife is a Russian Aristocrat who would like a Romanov restoration, and apparently once had a minor apoplexy when the Queen served herself a sandwich.

[HoreTore]

Banquo and men like him have inherrited intact estates, neither they nor their ancestors were stupid. They look after their dependents and they deserve respect for their achievements, given the number of noble and aristocratic families who have managed to carelessly lose everything.

All well and good, but it means absolutely nothing to me when it comes to the law. Under that we should all be equal.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Banquo and men like him have inherrited intact estates, neither they nor their ancestors were stupid. They look after their dependents and they deserve respect for their achievements,

Is that a tone of Social Darwinism I hear, My Dear Philip?

Banquo has been flatteringly candid over the years, we know, for example, that his wife is a Russian Aristocrat who would like a Romanov restoration, and apparently once had a minor apoplexy when the Queen served herself a sandwich.

Uh-hum. So was the m'at taught to her so she could communicate with wretches lower than her?