So maybe we got it all wrong

**Hax** · 02-14-2010, 12:37

It can, easily. But we might have made a mistake here if OT story is true.

Might have made a mistake.

Like declaring the war in the Middle East a crusade, Bush saying he was inspired by Jesus, refusing to open up ties with Iran during Khatami's government, etc, etc. I think the Coalition has done a great job in giving the Taliban loads of reasons to "reclaim Islamic lands from the infidels".

**Fragony** · 02-14-2010, 12:49

Originally Posted by Hax

Might have made a mistake.

Like declaring the war in the Middle East a crusade, Bush saying he was inspired by Jesus, refusing to open up ties with Iran during Khatami's government, etc, etc. I think the Coalition has done a great job in giving the Taliban loads of reasons to "reclaim Islamic lands from the infidels".

You are usually much more openminded when it comes to islamic rethoric, up to 'whiping of the map' not having a Persian equivalent, even when all it means is to destroy. Taliban is scum, but I don't care enough about the Islamic world to put troops in danger for their safety, if this is true we should get out.

**Hax** · 02-14-2010, 12:55

I won't go into what exactly Ahmadinejad meant when he stated the infamous "wiping off the map" quote concerning Israel. Do keep in mind however, that the same Islam that people seem to go totally insane over here in the west explicitly forbids people from harming Christians and Jews. At the same time, the rights of these two religious peoples (as well as Zoroastrians) are protected in the Iranian constitution.

Taliban is scum, but I don't care enough about the Islamic world to put troops in danger for their safety, if this is true we should get out.

You totally misunderstood what I meant. The Northern Alliance (yes, the same guys that assisted the United States) were actively supported by Iran before the actual invasion in 2001. Also, the influence of Iran within the Middle East should clearly not be underestimated (you know this, I think) and if the Coalition had been willing(!) to improve their relationship with Iran, I think that would have been a major asset in keeping both Iraq and Afghanistan stable.

Of course, we all know it's too late for that, unless the Iranian government is toppled, which doesn't seem likely.

EDIT: Just to clear some stuff up, I'm not trying to defend Ahmadinejad here, and I'm not saying that Israel has nothing to fear from him, quite the contrary. However, I think Ahmadinejad is far more intelligent that we perceive him to be (and way more intelligent than Assad and Netanyahu combined). What I personally perceive the thing to what Ahmadinejad was referring to was the dissolution of the state of Israel (which I don't exactly agree with either).

**Fragony** · 02-14-2010, 13:04

Originally Posted by Hax

I won't go into what exactly Ahmadinejad meant when he stated the infamous "wiping off the map" quote concerning Israel. Do keep in mind however, that the same Islam that people seem to go totally insane over here in the west explicitly forbids people from harming Christians and Jews. At the same time, the rights of these two religious peoples (as well as Zoroastrians) are protected in the Iranian constitution.

'That 'infamous statement? It's a daily statement all over the world where Islam settles. Even in Oxford university.

DEATH TO THE JEWS

It's pretty obvious, you can see it with your eyes, you can hear it with your ears, so what the hell is wrong with you people.

**Hax** · 02-14-2010, 13:40

Our inherent "wrongness", I think, lies in the fact that we don't use the traditional Double Standard© when it comes to matters such as these. On one hand, you outright condemn Islam and are willing to quote as many texts as you can find about it, but when I raise the matter of Ahlul Kitab, suddenly our mental health is questioned. How interesting.

**Fixiwee** · 02-14-2010, 13:48

Originally Posted by Fragony

'That 'infamous statement? It's a daily statement all over the world where Islam settles. Even in Oxford university.

DEATH TO THE JEWS

It's pretty obvious, you can see it with your eyes, you can hear it with your ears, so what the hell is wrong with you people.

The biggest amount of jews living in any islamic country is Iran. So maybe what you meant to say is "Death to israel" and not "death to the jews".
That's a big difference for Iran.

**Fragony** · 02-14-2010, 14:09

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

The biggest amount of jews living in any islamic country is Iran. So maybe what you meant to say is "Death to israel" and not "death to the jews".
That's a big difference for Iran.

It isn't for the jews in Iran I worry about, european jews are no longer feeling safe, with good reason. And the tefties protect it.

**Centurion1** · 02-14-2010, 18:20

Yeah maybe Fragony does not especially like Muslims, i have never seen him run around posting Death to Islam.

Horetore, Iran still has humans rights problems, Many eastern European nations still suffer from severe corruption and other problems, after Yugoslavia fough tto sepaerate from single authority (which they deserved) there was genocide. And the shah in iraq....... i'm not sure what you mean.

And Hax, Vietnam was a very winnable war but the american population had no backbone among other issues (a drafted military when it should have been volunteer). I dislike comparisons of Iraq and Afganistan to Vietnam as they are completely different conflicts.