Arche Seleukeia - A Guide by/with Hax

**WinsingtonIII** · 02-22-2010, 17:21

Oh I don't think they suck (that's reserved for Persian Hoplites), I just have always found other units that have pulled off what I would have done with them. Maybe not as well, but sufficiently enough for me to be satisfied with the result. I would use them in multiplayer/custom battle, and I do use them in campaign when I'm close enough to the Caucusus, I'm just not big on carting them over to attack Hektampylos when I have Hyrkanian Hillmen right there.

It may just be a matter of perception. I've always found the various Celtic short sword units to be rather decent, when they are clearly worse than Georgian or Armenian Medium Infantry. I think it may be because the Celtic short swords look like they are going to be terrible, and then they don't do half bad, so I'm like "oh look at that, that wasn't terrible at all, good for you." But the Medium Infantry look so cool, so I'm like "this is gonna be awesome," and then they do a pretty good job and I'm like "well that wasn't as awesome as I hoped." So I'm disappointed when I probably shouldn't be. I think it's the same phenomenon that we see when people complain that Hypastistai are underwhelming. It's not that they're bad units, they're just not as good as I was hoping. Does that make any sense?

**vartan** · 02-24-2010, 03:00

I always expect the worst in life. That way, I'm always happy with the results =)

**WinsingtonIII** · 02-24-2010, 16:51

Originally Posted by vartan

I always expect the worst in life. That way, I'm always happy with the results =)

Haha I'll keep that in mind in the future

Originally Posted by Titus Marcellus Scato

Just because a unit of soldiers wear awesome uniforms, doesn't mean they are awesome....

A unit of Imperial Roman legionaries in the famous lorica segmentata might look awesome, but a unit of Gestatae would beat them one on one, despite having no uniform at all.... ;)

Ah, but there you're assuming that Gaesatae don't look awesome....

Obviously appearance does not determine a unit's abilities, but I happened to have high expectations for the troops in question for a variety of reasons, and as such, when they underperformed those expectations, I was disappointed. It was as simple as that.

**vartan** · 02-24-2010, 20:41

Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII

Obviously appearance does not determine a unit's abilities, but I happened to have high expectations for the troops in question for a variety of reasons, and as such, when they underperformed those expectations, I was disappointed. It was as simple as that.

I think it is not simple. I think it is a complicated set of psychological events that are triggered naturally that result in you expecting more of the better-looking troops. Think of it this way: If you are going to an interview for IBM, are you going to go wearing a T-shirt and jeans, or are you going to go dressed properly in business attire? I think we all know the answer to this. The same applies here in game. Expectations are something that I find must be consciously put down in importance if you want to reduce prejudice that has become almost inherent. First Impressions. Gotta love 'em =)

**Titus Marcellus Scato** · 02-24-2010, 22:20

Originally Posted by vartan

Think of it this way: If you are going to an interview for IBM, are you going to go wearing a T-shirt and jeans, or are you going to go dressed properly in business attire? I think we all know the answer to this.

I dare you to go for an interview wearing Gestatae attire....

If nothing else, you'll get the panel's attention!

**Grouchio** · 07-17-2011, 06:16

Can you please continue this?

**Pavonis** · 11-23-2011, 19:44

It is possible to save Asaak as the Seleucids - in fact, to not loose a single city. You have to hire a mercenary general there on the first turn. You won't start with enough money so scrap some building you don't need, like the temple to Marduk in Seleucia. Then reinforce your border cities with troops from the eastern half of the empire. But otherwise, you're free to focus on the wealthy cities of Asia Minor and Egypt without having to chase horse archers across the steppe.

**Titus Marcellus Scato** · 02-24-2010, 16:15

Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII

But the Medium Infantry look so cool, so I'm like "this is gonna be awesome," and then they do a pretty good job and I'm like "well that wasn't as awesome as I hoped." So I'm disappointed when I probably shouldn't be. I think it's the same phenomenon that we see when people complain that Hypastistai are underwhelming. It's not that they're bad units, they're just not as good as I was hoping. Does that make any sense?

Just because a unit of soldiers wear awesome uniforms, doesn't mean they are awesome....

A unit of Imperial Roman legionaries in the famous lorica segmentata might look awesome, but a unit of Gestatae would beat them one on one, despite having no uniform at all.... ;)

**seleucid empire** · 01-12-2012, 10:23

Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII

I think it's the same phenomenon that we see when people complain that Hypastistai are underwhelming. It's not that they're bad units, they're just not as good as I was hoping. Does that make any sense?

what??? who thinks hypastistai are bad??? they are good flankers and can hold the flank against anything. i had half a stack attacking my hypastistai and they held for the entire battle losing only 30 men. They can actually hold the line against elite cavalry charge with less than 10 casualties. Pelt-Maks are the underwhelming ones imo and people never complain about those