Concert of Europe

[King Jan III Sobieski]

1) Financial Problems and how to solve them:
We will borrow money from the Dutch. We will cut our spending and cut our military (slowly) to have a small but elite military. Money from the loans will be use to pay down the debt and some of it will be use to help people get jobs and invest in our economy and industries.
2) How to construct a system to prevent military conflicts:
I agree, Sultan of Egypt. However, I think I am not the best suited for making up my thoughts of spheres of influces.
3) How to fight republican ideas.
Censorship when need be. Give the people want they want short of racial demands. Reward people for obedience and punish them for unrest. Secret police may not be a bad idea.
4) the dangerous situation at France
Dutch troops are on stand by to help us if needed. Reliable Native French troops are being sent in to guard me and sent to the trouble spots to "encourage" the people to go home and live normal lives.
5) the future of Greece
Allow Greece to be independent. Place a small western force on the island to make sure order is maintain and protect against incursions from the Ottoman Empire. Place trading ports there to help them expand trading wise.

[Prince Cobra]

I would like to be more precise with the measures against the revolutionary threat. Such an agreement has been reached with the Russian Empire.

Das Österreich und Russland hat eine Übereinkuft gemacht. Wir sind überzeugt Europas zu verteidigen. Früher, Russland hat die Gebieten und die Interessen des Österreichs zu verteidigen versprochen. Jetzt, die Österreich will Russland helfen. Im Österreichem « Polnischen » Gebieten gibt es keine Platz für Revolutionären und unsere Polizei operiert gegen diese Elementen. Ich höffe, dass die anderen Staaten Europas auch unsere Beispiel folgen warden und shcließen Übereinkuft für Kooperation gegen Revolutionären werden. Die Reiche können auch mit der Freien Stadt Krakau gegen die Revolutionären arbeiten. Satus quo müssen wir verteidigen.



Austria and Russia have made an agreement. Earlier, Russia promised to defend the territories and the interests of the Austrian Empire. Now, Austria wishes to help Russia. In the Austrian “Polish” territories there is no place for revolutionists and our police will work against such elements. I hope that the other states will follow our example and will conclude similar treaties for cooperation against the revolutionists. The two Empires can also work closely with the Free City of Krakow against the revolutionists. The status quo must be protected.

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Austria does not think Greece should be left independent. Such an act will lead to unexpected complications as I have already warned.

On the spheres of infleunce. I would say that the representative of France demonstrated how delicate the spheres of influence are by keeping silence. Great powers should work together, not rival to partition the world.

[Peasant Phill]

I would like to be more precise with the measures against the revolutionary threat. Such an agreement has been reached with the Russian Empire.

Austria and Russia have made an agreement. Earlier, Russia promised to defend the territories and the interests of the Austrian Empire. Now, Austria wishes to help Russia. In the Austrian “Polish” territories there is no place for revolutionists and our police will work against such elements. I hope that the other states will follow our example and will conclude similar treaties for cooperation against the revolutionists. The two Empires can also work closely with the Free City of Krakow against the revolutionists. The status quo must be protected.

Peace keeping is one of the core tasks of a government. I'm in no position to comment on a bilateral agreement, situations sometimes make it necessary to take extraordinary actions. These actions should, however, always be regarded as extraordinary. Every nation should have complete and exclusive soevereinity within its borders. In that regard, I like to caution every nation to keep such agreement always as short as possible and always under the leadership of the nation where the threat is located.

On the spheres of infleunce. I would say that the representative of France demonstrated how delicate the spheres of influence are by keeping silence. Great powers should work together, not rival to partition the world.

I agree that cooperation will be necessary to keep the peace in Europe. Many nations have set there eyes on Africa. In order to keep tensions between these nations down, it would be opportune to divide Africa in influence spheres of the the nations that are now already involved in Africa. If each nation is designated with enough African resources, then there would be no reason for tensions.

[Prince Cobra]

I would like to underline that the control over the revolutions in the Austrian Empire is in the safe hands of the Austrian secret police that is one of the best in Europe. In this case, I simply mean that Austrian security forces will also prosecute any revolutionist from Russia who steps on the territory of the Austrian Empire or dares to plot a revolutionary activity against Russia from Austrian territory and in this way Austria fulfills the solidarity principle of the Veinna treaty. The countries of Europe must deny shelter to those who commit the most dangerous of the crimes, an attempt of revolution (even when done in another country).


From the first post of the thread:

4) Solidarity – the power of the monarchs will be completed by the solidarity between the monarchs.

[Franconicus]

At Munich, the representative of the Curia, Cardinal Mauro, presents the lates Papal Encyclical:
Ardenti cura (With burning anxiety):

With burning anxiety We see apostasy and persecution of Christian believers.
Full of dolefulness We are looking at Our brothers at Ireland, which are suffering iniquitousness and oppression from the English occupants.
Full of dolefulness We are looking at Our fellow Christians at the Netherlands, which are suffering from the wrongfulness of their Protestant monarch,
Full of dolefulness We are looking at Our fellow Christians at France, which are led by a nefarious sovereign, that shrink from supping with the devil to slaughter brave Christian believers.
Full of dolefulness We are looking at Our fellow Christians at Prussia, were the true believers are suffering from the oppression of their king. We sympathize with the Bishop of Cologne, Clemens August Droste zu Vischering, persecuted and arrested by the myrmidons of the Prussian King.
Full of dolefulness We are looking at the Holy Land, where Christian sanctuaries are defiled.
We are thinking of our brothers at Greece and the Balkans, which are tortured by heathen beasts.

We send this message to all those living in persecution and oppression: The Lord Himself sees your suffering and He will send you His support. Hold on and keep hold of your faith! Do not let anybody mislead you! And do not support the unjust ways of your governments, do not support them in any way, do not enter their service or work in their administration!

We send this message to all Christian monarchs: Do not close your eyes for the need of your brothers. Do not forget, that the Lord gave you your authority to protect the believers. Our special appeal goes to the Imperator Rex of Austria: Due to the high rang within Christianity it is up to you to lead the Christian Armies in this fight!

We send this message to all Christians all over the world: Please pray your defaulted brothers and support them as much as you can!

Leo XII., PP

Vicarius Iesu Christi, Summus Pontifex Ecclesiae Universalis, Patriarcha Occidentis

[King Jan III Sobieski]

From the French Court:


Slaughtering Ottoman Turks count as our Christian brothers? So one moment, dear Pope, you call the Turks infidels, yet If I killed 20,000 of them, I am a murder. If I ally with them, you condemn me, yet if I kill them, you still condemn me. I am outrage by this.



Charles X, King of France.

[Csargo]

The Greek question is indeed a very intriguing one. We admire the art of the Ancient Greeks but such a sympathy should not weaken our judgement on the issue. We should grant the Greeks religious freedom and participation in the government, we should envourage the Sultan to abolish the discriminational laws towards the Christians in his Empire. I am afraid such a precent may create the illusion that rebellions can make the greatest powers in Europe to change their policy and in this way for the sake of ignorant mobs to ignore the real interests of their country and people. Shall I remind you, gentlemen, that the French Revolution, that madness that put the end of the life of a monarch and his family, began in this way. The result we had was 20 years of war that ravaged Europe. Indeed, I can not approve cruelty over the Greeks but I will not support such an independence. For what will the next step? Revolution in Paris? Uprising of the Polish that are never satisfied by the status quo? or perhaps another rebellions in Italy... No, gentlemen, I do not think this is a good idea. Reforms, yes but a whole new state puts too many question on the table. There are too many questions but no answers. Therefore, Vienna does not approve the idea of a Greek independence, for the sole reason this does not seem to serve our purpose of European stability.

Indeed it is. I agree with your views entirely. If we were to put pressure on the Sultan to give independence to Greece, what next? It would cause a ripple effect, and maybe more parts of the Ottoman Empire would begin uprising, because they would believe with enough pressure the Sultan would weaken and give in to their demands. I don't think it would be limited to the Ottoman Empire either. With the situations in France and Russia it would disastrous for either country if such a feeling were to take hold of the population. Greece should remain a part of the Ottoman Empire, but be given religious freedom. Also, as the Chancellor of Austria says, we should put pressure on the Sultan to abolish discriminatory laws that have been put in place against his Christian subjects. I believe with these measures put in place, we will see a calmer and stabler Empire.

I would like to defend the Tzar of Russia whose representative has not arrived in Munich yet (though the Tzar assured me he will send a representative), perhaps due to to the enormrous distances between St.Petersburg and Munich. I do not think Russia can be blamed for the instability and the recent war with Persia. I think we should be glad that the Russian government managed to cope swiftly with the rebellion. Austria also declares that it will cooperate with Russia on the Polish question and the Austrian police will prevent any potential revolutionary activitites amongst the Polish subejcts of the Danube Empire that can threaten the status quo in the East. Perhaps Prussia may also join our efforts in that matter?

Yes, I will help prevent revolutionary activities in my Polish provinces.

[Prince Cobra]

Apart from Greece, there is another disturbing matter: the Levantine separatists. The Pope is right to be unsatisfied by the development of events in Europe. And just as he said we have to take care for our religion. I would put the emphasis on the very place where the Saviour was born. It seems the Levantine rebels have dared to attack sacred ruins of Christianity and are harrassing the local Christian population. I wonder what are the suggestions of the Great Powers to cope with the rebellion in the Levant? Perhaps Egypt and the Ottoman Sultan wish to say something on the matter as well? The separatism seems to be spiralling out of control!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Levantine separatists..... Make me sick. I do not support the separatists, especially when they destroy our Christian ruins, and use my nation's alliance with the Turks as a pretext. Chancellor Metternich, I do not know what we could do. Military action is out of the question, and even if it wasn't, would who send a "peacekeeping" force? Perhaps economic sanctions could work here.

[Prince Cobra]

For now it would be a good idea to hear the delegations of Egypt and the Ottoman Empire. There are many ways to support a country and direct intervention is only one of them.

[Peasant Phill]

Firstly, I'm gratefull that I can have my say in this delicate matter. And in absence of The Ottoman Sultan I feel I can't waste this opportunity.

As you may be well aware, I've ackowledged the new government of the Levant. I even proposed a far going diplomatic relationship. I'm still intent on going through with this.
However, that doesn't mean and I can't stress this enough that I condone their actions.

I'm in 2 thoughts about this issue. On one hand, I feart that they, as a military dictatorship, will only understand a show of force. On the other hand, foreign (Catholic) forces may provoke even more hate and unrest in the region and possibly over the rest of Europe.
I therefor propose the following: I'll have one final talk with the Levant leaders, explaining the severity of the situation. If this fails, then an intervention will be inevitable.

So I beg you, give me a mandate to negotiate a peacefull solution before endangering an allready unstable region.

Sultan Mohamed Ali

[Prince Cobra]

Firstly, I'm gratefull that I can have my say in this delicate matter. And in absence of The Ottoman Sultan I feel I can't waste this opportunity.

As you may be well aware, I've ackowledged the new government of the Levant. I even proposed a far going diplomatic relationship. I'm still intent on going through with this.
However, that doesn't mean and I can't stress this enough that I condone their actions.

I'm in 2 thoughts about this issue. On one hand, I feart that they, as a military dictatorship, will only understand a show of force. On the other hand, foreign (Catholic) forces may provoke even more hate and unrest in the region and possibly over the rest of Europe.
I therefor propose the following: I'll have one final talk with the Levant leaders, explaining the severity of the situation. If this fails, then an intervention will be inevitable.

So I beg you, give me a mandate to negotiate a peacefull solution before endangering an allready unstable region.

Sultan Mohamed Ali

I think it is too early for this, Mohamed Ali, Lord of Egypt. A man should not always negotiate with rebels for it could be interpreted as a sign of weakness. The situation should be discussed amongst the great powers and with the Ottoman delegation that we hope will finally arrive at Munich and then proceeding against the rebels after hearing all the options. Few days more or less would not change the situation a lot and the recent wave of separatism should be handled carefully or it could have disastrous consequences. Now I step back to give the word of any delegation that wishes to speak on the matter.

[Peasant Phill]

I fear that an intervention of the Ottoman Empire is out of the question. The Ottomans have been unresponsive when it comes to internal as well as international affairs ever since their defeat at the hands of the British navy. My belief is that the ottoman sultan has lost his authority over his subjects.
Even if the Ottomans would be willing to intervene at the Levant, I'm anything but confident about there success. Remember, The Levant, earlier an political incompetent regoin, has been able to deny Ottoman rule without retaliation. What power do you think the Ottomans will have now?

So, again, I propose that an Egyptian delegation will be sent to normalize the situation. I'm the key-nation for their international diplomacy. If they want to preserve even the slightest chance of a lasting existence as a nation than they'll have to keep to my good side.
If they don't realise this I'll be forced to intervene with force. With all of their harbours blocaded and certain key positions raided or destroyed, they'll have no other choice than to bend to our international will.

I hereby ask the Concert, again, for a mandate to declare our terms to the leaders of the Levant.

[Prince Cobra]

Lord of Egypt, your readiness to resolve the situation and stop the chaos is most appreciated. But for now, I think you are preocuppied with other complicated issues across the Mediterranean and second, it is still too early for negotiations with the rebels. As always the key is the information and I have made steps in this matter whilst waiting for the other delegations to prepare their speech. I expect to gather more information on the issue and hopefully, I will soon report the results of my activity to the Great Powers. I can even propose a concrete measures to deal with the Levantine extremists, if everything is according to the plan.

Klemens von Metternich on the Conference

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Hi Everyone.

I can not keep up with this what so ever. I just can not put in the time on this. (as you have all no doubt noticed, and commented on )


I hate to cut and run like this, but I honestly don't have the time.


I am very sorry everyone

[Franconicus]

Sad news. But I understand you well!
Good luck and thank you!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

The Kingdom of France sees no problem in having our Egyptian friends pressure the rebels in Levant to stop their crimes. But, in order not be shown as weak, I think only 1 warning should be given. If not, then military force will have to be applied.


Charles X, King of France.

[Prince Cobra]

Announcement

In the name of the Empire of Austria and the Kingdom of Prussia, I, Prince von Metternich would like to announce that Prussia has signed an agreement for recognition of Ernst August as a King of Hanover (further information on the territories of the Kingdom below). Austria also partly recognises the „Hanover deal“ made by the former King of Hanover and present King of Great Britain, accepting it only for the Northern provinces of the Hanover Kingdom. The Prussian King also grants an economic access of Hanover to the Free cities of Hamburg and Bremen by Hanover as a slight compensation for the lost Northern Ports. The Kingdom of Hanover also receives a land linkage with its formerly isolated territories like Goettingen. This declaration shows the determination of Prussia and Austria to preserve the peace within Europe. We inform the other Great Powers for this fortunate outcome of a long and dangerous conflict that is now over. The other German states also receive guarantee for their territorial integrity and sovereignity.

http://bgoc.hit.bg/

[Franconicus]

So the Conference of Munich has aat least one result.

By the way, the papers are wirting that the agents of the European powers do nothing but wasting taxes for parties. We should agree on a statement to release for the press!

Papers also report of riots in the capitol of the Ottoman Empire. Rumors say that the Sultan has been captured, maybe even killed. Situation is still unclear, though.

[King Kurt]

Greetings from Lord Canning
First of all - we welcome the resolution of the Hanover problem and commit ourselves to work with Austria and Prussia to achieve the success of this venture.
Secondly - an announcement - The situation in Greece is resolved - my diplomats have worked with the Sultan to achieve the following:
Greece will become a British colony.
It will be ruled by a National assembly with Christian and Muslim representation - the assembly will be overseen by our Governor General who has the ability to overrule the assembly, but it is anticipated that this will be in exceptional circumstances only.
Britian will determine foreign policy - which will be in line with the concert
There will be a strong trade link with Turkey.
So Greece has a properious and peaceful future ahead of it and its tolerant society with full religious freedom will be a beacon to the world
God save the King
Lord Canning

[Prince Cobra]

Greetings from Lord Canning
First of all - we welcome the resolution of the Hanover problem and commit ourselves to work with Austria and Prussia to achieve the success of this venture.
Secondly - an announcement - The situation in Greece is resolved - my diplomats have worked with the Sultan to achieve the following:
Greece will become a British colony.
It will be ruled by a National assembly with Christian and Muslim representation - the assembly will be overseen by our Governor General who has the ability to overrule the assembly, but it is anticipated that this will be in exceptional circumstances only.
Britian will determine foreign policy - which will be in line with the concert
There will be a strong trade link with Turkey.
So Greece has a properious and peaceful future ahead of it and its tolerant society with full religious freedom will be a beacon to the world
God save the King
Lord Canning

Lord Canning, your diplomats once again surprised us. It seems the Sultan willingly ceded Greece to Great Britain. Now Great Britain has handled Greece to the power of the Concert. In order to keep the will of the Concert, will it not be better if a Central European nobleman instead of General Governor oversees the development of Greece? I am willing to support the suggestion of our host, the King of Bavaria (always well accepted by all the Great Powers) to send his brother in Greece for the purpose.

Prince von Metternich, Chancellor of Austria

[King Kurt]

My dear Prince Metternich

Thank you for the kind offer of assistance, but I will have to decline. Great Britian is an equal partner within the Concert and is more than capable in administering Greece. In fact we have wide experience of such a role in many parts of the world. The concert's sole involvement with Greek affairs will be foreign policy - as all European powers have acknowledged.

Lord Canning

[Franconicus]

In an interview the ambassador of Sardinia and Piement says, that the finacial problems of some nations, caused by their unbroken will to dominate their neighbors by military means, only covers the two real dangers for the wirld: the first one is the unholy desire for personal freedom, a desease born by the French revolution - and the wish of the people to live within their own national identity. Both are dangerous and if both come together, they may destroy the given order. However, while the first one, the desire for freedom, has to be fought with all means of the concert, the wish for national identitiy and freedom should no longer be ignored. The Kingdom of Sardinia thinks that it would be good for all, if the states have borders inline with the borders of the nationalities. Therefore, we support the idea of a Greek Kingdom - without republican ideas - to be a factor of stability in our world.


Gents, I am waiting for your moves!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Sent. I send you more on Monday if you need anymore Info :).

[Prince Cobra]

Fuerst von Metternich gives an interview for an Austrian newspaper in one of the last days of the Conference in Munich. He calmly explains his high hopes that the plan for salvation of France and the agreement with Prussia is to be a solid ground for peace and stability. When asked about the Greek issue and his position, he says the situation within the Ottoman Empire is too unclear to comment right now and that the future of the province will be decided by the Concert at a later moment. Fuerst von Metternich also hopes the Ottoman Sultan will be able to cope with the complexed situation within his realm. He also says that he has put a lot of efforts to keep the balance within Europe after the defeat of Napoleon and will continue to do so. It is also immature, if the rumours are indeed true, for a serious politician to play with dangerous ideas like nationalism and republicanism for his own pleasure, Metternich says. As a Chancellor of Austria he promises that Austria will continue to be a stronghold of the enlightened absolutism, an island of stability and that the Danube monarchy will monitor the situation all around Europe carefully.

Edit: Orders sent!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

My filling of this void must come to an end. I must resign from this game, again...

[Peasant Phill]

This always was a slow moving game. Maybe it's time to look for more players if you're up for it Franc?
Otherwise I'll most likly lose my motivation to as I just lost 2 nations that were important/were a threat for Egypt. It's hard to scheme when I have to do all the scheming with AND against the same person.

P.S. I'll send my orders later today.

[Prince Cobra]

This sounds good, Phil... In fact, playing in team with several other people adds to the challenge

[Franconicus]

Maybe it's time to look for more players if you're up for it Franc

I think you are right. I will start recruiting and so there is a break until we have new players.

To the old ones: please confirm if you are willing and able to keep on playing!

[Csargo]

I want to keep playing.