Capital falls, empire fals?

**seienchin** · 03-04-2010, 21:06

Besides beeing impossible to mod,
When a faction looses their Homelands (Not just Capital) I guess it should be exterminated. Having a roman faction only consisting of Vindobona or raethia is something that happens quite often in my game and I doubt that would have been possible in reality. ^^

**bobbin** · 03-05-2010, 01:42

Originally Posted by seienchin

Having a roman faction only consisting of Vindobona or raethia is something that happens quite often in my game and I doubt that would have been possible in reality. ^^

It did in fact happen and quite often, for example Kingdom of Syagrius after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, or the Empire of Trebizond after the fall of Constantinopole, none of these states lasted very long because they were conquered by stonger neighbours, but they did exist and could have continued on as viable states in their own right.

**Arthur, king of the Britons** · 03-05-2010, 02:06

Besides beeing impossible to mod,
When a faction looses their Homelands (Not just Capital) I guess it should be exterminated. Having a roman faction only consisting of Vindobona or raethia is something that happens quite often in my game and I doubt that would have been possible in reality. ^^

What one can mod though is the names of the factions, which is quite simple. (for those who don't know about it, the file you would want to change is the expanded_bi.txt.)
Some degre of imagination is must though..

**seienchin** · 03-05-2010, 11:39

Originally Posted by bobbin

It did in fact happen and quite often, for example Kingdom of Syagrius after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, or the Empire of Trebizond after the fall of Constantinopole, none of these states lasted very long because they were conquered by stonger neighbours, but they did exist and could have continued on as viable states in their own right.

Come on... That is something completly different... Gaul and western Anatolia werde like the Mainlands of the roman empires... Raethia and Vindobona in 200bc werent...

**Subotan** · 03-05-2010, 15:05

Ahem.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...pire_477ad.jpg

**Megas Methuselah** · 03-05-2010, 21:48

Originally Posted by Subotan

Ahem.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...pire_477ad.jpg

Yeh, yeh, yeh! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rump_state

**Subotan** · 03-06-2010, 01:08

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

Yeh, yeh, yeh! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rump_state

I wasn't going to be that cruel and list the numerous examples in history where a country has lost it's capital yet continue on regardless.

**Megas Methuselah** · 03-06-2010, 06:24

'Dis how I roll, homeboi!

**Andy1984** · 03-05-2010, 15:46

Originally Posted by seienchin

Come on... That is something completly different... Gaul and western Anatolia werde like the Mainlands of the roman empires... Raethia and Vindobona in 200bc werent...

These areas survived as 'Roman' because some leader and his tribe adhered to the idea of being Roman (read: the continuation of the roman legacy as a political tool: creating a history and a legitimate political situation), not because they felt like they were in the center of the Roman world. I'm not entirely sure, but didn't even Odoaker pretend to have at least some sort of continuation in the Roman empire as well? I too would love to see a bigger Roman empire than the Alpine-Roman confederation of Rhaetia that shows up every now and then, but historical accuracy isn't an argument for that after one allows military expansion to be decided by an AI.