Departed Dethy Mafia II [Concluded]

[johnhughthom]

It might be the best strategy to have 3 people investigate secura tonight, and two people investigate me.

I suggest we do this, except three investigate Sasaki and two Secura.

johnhughthom, Double A and Secura investigate Sasaki.
Sasaki and Methos investigate Secura.

[Secura]

johnhughthom investigates Methos
Double A investigates johnhughthom
Secura investigates Double A
Sasaki investigates Secura
Methos investigates Sasaki

This is the plan we're going for, Double A. So you'll be investigating JHT and will be investigated by me. :3

[Secura]

I suggest we do this, except three investigate Sasaki and two Secura.

johnhughthom, Double A and Secura investigate Sasaki.
Sasaki and Methos investigate Secura.

Actually, I'm fine with this; it'll help us figure out who is which kind of detective better. I don't mind three people investigating me if that's what the rest of you want.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, let's do the first plan. The important thing is for everyone to get results on two different people. Just having a bunch of results on one person doesn't do much.

Secura is obviously mafia, did I mention that? But let's the do this one:

johnhughthom investigates Methos
Double A investigates johnhughthom
Secura investigates Double A
Sasaki investigates Secura
Methos investigates Sasaki

[Secura]

Secura is obviously mafia, did I mention that?

Your insistence upon this is going to make you look extremely foolish when it transpires that it isn't actually true.

All you're doing is increasing the belief that you are possibly the scum yourself. Due to this behaviour, I'm going to follow JHT's plan for the evening and investigate Sasaki. If two others will do this also, we may have a better chance of ascertaining which detective has which personality trait and see if it correlates with what JHT has said.

[johnhughthom]

But let's the do this one:

johnhughthom investigates Methos
Double A investigates johnhughthom
Secura investigates Double A
Sasaki investigates Secura
Methos investigates Sasaki

Ummm, no.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't think getting more results says anything in particular. Let's say we get a guilty and an innocent on you. It could be the insane cop and the actual cop that investigated you, or the paranoid and the naive cop. And one of them could be lying.

If someone gets two guilties on different people, they know they are the paranoid cop.
If someone gets an innocent on one person, and a guilty on another, they know they are either insane or normal, and that one of the two is mafia.
If they get two innocents, they only know that they aren't paranoid.

Then we have to figure it out based on eliminating possibilities, depending on which people got investigated twice, and who is still alive. The character speculation and role reveals might be very helpful. But I think someone lying could always make it a 50/50 guess, unless they get stuck somehow.

An innocent person investigated by all four cops will have 2 innocent and two guilty results. A guilty person investigated by all four cops will have 2 innocent and two guilty results. It doesn't give extra information as far as I can tell, and increases the likelihood that one person will be killed and all those investigations lost.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ummm, no.

I don't think I have the logic of it wrong. Having extra people investigate the top suspects seems intuitive, that's why I suggested it. But it doesn't seem to actually do anything beneficial.

If we get two guilty results and an innocent result on someone, they are just as likely to be innocent as they are to be guilty.

-edit-

If that person is later revealed to be innocent, then we would know that they were investigated by the paranoid cop and the insane cop (who got the guilty results). But we wouldn't necessarily know which was which.

[Secura]

All four of you could investigate me, if you wanted.

Considering Sasaki is the top of my suspicions just as I am his, he can post his results after I post mine (which will be about Sasaki), and then the rest of you can post yours too. If he's lying, which I'm increasingly starting to believe that he will do, then his results will not correlate with the rest of you.

It's up to you guys what you do, but I've requested a Sasaki investigation and I intend to go through with that decision.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

All four of you could investigate me, if you wanted.

Considering Sasaki is the top of my suspicions just as I am his, he can post his results after I post mine (which will be about Sasaki), and then the rest of you can post yours too. If he's lying, which I'm increasingly starting to believe that he will do, then his results will not correlate with the rest of you.

It's up to you guys what you do, but I've requested a Sasaki investigation and I intend to go through with that decision.

But let's say you aren't mafia, and you get killed. Then we have zero investigation results to work with. That's what I find scummy about your "all four of you can investigate me, I don't mind" bit that you keep repeating. Only mafia shouldn't mind--townies should mind, because it would work badly for the town. The only benefit would be that the scummiest person (in my mind) would get killed. That's not a benefit from your perspective as a townie.

johnhughthom investigates Methos
Double A investigates johnhughthom
Secura investigates Sasaki
Sasaki investigates Secura
Methos investigates Double A

The underlined have been sent in.

[Methos]

I won't be here for most of the day tomorrow, so I won't be able to post my results until after I return. I'll be in a place that doesn't have internet access. The image below is of the cave I'll be in. We were there a year or so ago, if I remember right and the pic is from then. I'm not sure when I'll be back, but I'll post my results when I'm able to. I haven't sent my orders in yet, as I'm still waiting for a decision to be made.

[Methos]

Also, I realise that I have just revealed my role, but considering I've been labelled as the most suspicious one here, it doesn't really matter to me; I'm Officer Brown, and seem to have a snappy taste in leather jackets.

You've revealed nothing and I find it odd that you would claim that you have.

[johnhughthom]

I haven't sent my orders in yet, as I'm still waiting for a decision to be made.

You're part of that decision making process you know....

Is that you in the photo? Have fun tomorrow, wouldn't catch me doing that.

[Methos]

You're part of that decision making process you know....

Is that you in the photo? Have fun tomorrow, wouldn't catch me doing that.

Yes, it's me in the photo. At one point there's only 8 to 10 inches of airspace in three feet of water. So yes, I'll have a blast!

From reading the previous game I'd have to agree that each of us investigating a different person and sharing the results in the best method. I'm not sure I agree with the everyone scan two people, or that sasaki and secura are going to scan each other.

[Secura]

That's what I find scummy about your "all four of you can investigate me, I don't mind" bit that you keep repeating. Only mafia shouldn't mind--townies should mind, because it would work badly for the town.

Because I grow tired of these accusations that are complete and utter rubbish. There's only so many times I can say this; my character is a somewhat rotund black guy called Officer Brown. He wears a black leather jacket, a chunky gold ring and is in need of a shave. He resembles, in my opinion, an older Sean Kingston.

I haven't seen The Departed, so I seriously ask; is Brown the bad guy in it? If so, by all means, you can lynch my ass tomorrow if I'm not already dead. If my character is the bad guy, I will vote for myself and get it over with. But this is all hyperbole, because I know I'm innocent from my PM; I am not the mafia.

If I do survive the night, then my lynch won't be based upon who any of the investigations point to or any bovine excrement like that; I'm going to vote for the person I find most scummy, and that would be you, Sasaki. Just as I would expect you to lynch me tomorrow if I survive, considering what you see as overwhelming evidence that I'm scum.

The only difference is, you are 100% incorrect, Sasaki. I have will have a 33% chance of being correct.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There is a 0% chance that I will vote for you tomorrow. I intend to vote no lynch. We are both either 100% correct or 0% correct.

I expect we will have everyone claim their role when the time comes. If CB has not provided a fake claim for the mafioso, we will most likely find him then.

[Secura]

I was speaking from the sense that you seem one hundred percent convinced that I'm the mafia, and don't really seem open to any other avenue. Whereas I suspect you, yes, but it could just as easily be any of the other players.

Having just spoken to another player via PM, I can see that my arguments are becoming increasingly scummy as I lose my cool, so I can understand the suspicion that you or anyone else may have. That's just me playing badly, which isn't going to help town win, so I apologise.

I maintain the fact that I'm Officer Brown, a simple cop, and will do so until I'm lynched or night-killed. If any of you choose to believe that claim, then thank you. If not, that's your choice, I'm not going to argue against it and dig myself an even greater hole.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was speaking from the sense that you seem one hundred percent convinced that I'm the mafia, and don't really seem open to any other avenue. Whereas I suspect you, yes, but it could just as easily be any of the other players.

I'm a firm believer in shrodingers cat theory of mafia.

I maintain the fact that I'm Officer Brown, a simple cop, and will do so until I'm lynched or night-killed. If any of you choose to believe that claim, then thank you. If not, that's your choice, I'm not going to argue against it and dig myself an even greater hole.

If when we get to day three and claim our roles, and the mafia do not have a fakeclaim, then we will win. Until then claiming a role is not valuable.

[Methos]

Methos investigates Double A

These were my orders.

[Captain Blackadder]

Night One

Billy Costigan is worried he feels he is a strong target for the rat since he is the only one who has ever seen him (even if only from a distance). As he wanders the police station he comes across something that shocks him on the desk of one of his fellow officers. He sees a note containing the details of Costello's men that has one of the names misspelt it is the very same note that he saw another member of Costello's mob write which means the man whose desk this is on is the mole as he turns to tell it to the world the rat comes behind him and shots him in the head.




JohnHughthom (Billy Costigan) is dead


Begin Day 2

[Secura]

Sigh, I predicted this would happen via PM to johnhughthom. There's one of two possibilities unfolding here now, I'll have to see more results before I can ascertain which one.

Anyway, seeing as I agreed to post my results first, the sole word in my results PM for the Sasaki investigation was:

"Guilty".

So I am either the Paranoid (always Guilty), Insane (all results backwards) or Normal (self-explanatory) Officer.

Sasaki, you should post yours next, please. :3

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I got Secura as innocent.

Anyway, seeing as I agreed to post my results first, the sole word in my results PM

You really can't try and prove your innocence by doing this stuff. Anyway, mine had the quote where I said "I'll investigate Secura" and then the one word result.

[Secura]

Methos is caving, won't be online for a while, so Double A can post his investigation of johnhughthom when possible; the result can still be used to determine who is which cop.

EDIT - removing collated results until Methos posts.

[Double A]

Well, I can't be normal or naive, because I got guilty on john.

[johnhughthom]

If you are Dignam that would fit my earlier theory. Although Secura's result doesn't fit.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Where were you yesterday double A?

[Secura]

Sorry, I was sick yesterday, and on top of that I didn't know where my Mac was, and my PC has been infected with the XP 2010 security virus (read: a real pain in the )

He wasn't able to get online. :3

I've removed those collated results until Methos posts, in the event that he could be the mafia.

[Double A]

Where were you yesterday double A?

You mean Friday? I was sick, and I didn't know where my laptop was. My desktop was infected with that annoying ATI Security XP 2010 virus (...again). And my dad wouldn't let me get on them anyway since he was home sick too (he has bronchitis).

So in short, I didn't have computer acess, and didn't feel like trying.

[johnhughthom]

My desktop was infected with that annoying ATI Security XP 2010 virus (...again).

You been at the porn? (....again).

[Double A]

Uhm... gah?