Secular Society Threatened?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Is Ratzinger getting nervous yet? First Germany. Then his diocese. Now his brother.

Will the accusations hit the very heart of the church? Will there be allegations of...the unthinkable?

Ooohh....new revelations.


I think I can smell Ratzinger sweat nervously all the way from over here.

Pope Benedict's former diocese rehoused abuser priest




Pope Benedict once unwittingly approved housing for a priest accused of child sex abuse, his former diocese has said.

The episode dates back to 1980 when he was archbishop of Germany's Munich and Freising diocese and known as Joseph Ratzinger.
However, a former deputy said he - not the future pope - made the decision to rehouse the priest, who later abused other children and was convicted.
Roman Catholic clergy have recently been linked to paedophilia scandals.


The Pope himself has defended celibacy among priests, saying it is a sign of "full devotion" to the Catholic Church.

Following a report in the Munich-based newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung, the diocese of Munich and Freising confirmed that Archbishop Ratzinger had let the priest, known only as H, stay at a vicarage in Munich for "therapy".


The repeated employment of H in priestly spiritual duties was a bad mistake



H had been suspected of forcing an 11-year-old boy to perform a sex act upon him in the northern city of Essen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8565294.stm

So a pederast rapist was protected by Ratzinger.

Oh no, wait, a former deputy iimmediately came forward with the claim that of course he, and not Ratzinger, made the decision.



Getting nervous yet, you little fascist?

[Strike For The South]

:popcorn:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Ooohh....new revelations.


I think I can smell Ratzinger sweat nervously all the way from over here.

So a pederast rapist was protected by Ratzinger.

Oh no, wait, a former deputy iimmediately came forward with the claim that of course he, and not Ratzinger, made the decision.



Getting nervous yet, you little fascist?

You honestly believe the Pope was a sincere Nazi bigot, Loius?

In any case, I suspect Benedict knew nothing about the abuse in this instance. Roman Catholicism encourages adherence to the hierarchy and forms of behavoiur. In many cases I suspect priests were re-housed without anyone looking into the allergations. Further, an Archbishop is unlikely to have dealt with this messy affair personally, he would have just signed the paperwork.

However, this does not mean Pope Benedict never protected a pederast.

However, he must be considered innocent until proven guilty; just like anyone else.

[HoreTore]

However, he must be considered innocent until proven guilty; just like anyone else.

That's a ridiculous thing to say about a person who cannot ever be found guilty.

[Louis VI the Fat]

You honestly believe the Pope was a sincere Nazi bigot, Loius?

No, I do not believe Ratzinger was a fascist.

I believe Ratzinger is a fascist.


Society of St. Pius X :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv..._of_St._Pius_X

Paul Touvier

In 1989, Paul Touvier, a former Vichy French official and a fugitive wanted for war crimes, was arrested in Nice. The SSPX stated at the time that Touvier had been granted asylum there as "an act of charity to a homeless man".[26] In 1994, Touvier was sentenced to life imprisonment for ordering the execution of seven Jews at Rillieux-la-Pape in 1944, in reprisal for the French Resistance's killing of the Vichy minister Philippe Henriot.[27] On his death in 1996, a Requiem Mass for the repose of Touvier's soul was offered by Father Philippe Laguérie,[28] an SSPX priest who was then the Rector of the Parisian church of St Nicolas du Chardonnet.[29]

The arrest of a pro-Nazi French militia leader in a priory operated by followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre has touched off new debate about the role of Roman Catholic clergy in protecting war criminals.

http://www.angelusonline.org/print.php?sid=831

A German pope with a Hitler Jugend past rehabilitated this reactionary/fascist Society. What should I call Ratzinger then? A communist resistance fighter?


The world is better aquainted with Richard Williamson:

Benedict rehabilitated Williamson, Fellay and two other members of the society last week as part of his efforts to bring the traditionalist society, which opposes many of the liberalizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council, back into the Vatican's fold.
Jewish groups denounced Benedict for embracing Williamson, who denied during an interview broadcast last week on Swedish state TV that 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust. He said only about 200,000 or 300,000 were killed.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...enced_by_sect/

However, he must be considered innocent until proven guilty; just like anyone else.

Oh, no need to worry. I'm sure Rome will declare the 11 year old boy forgiven for his sins.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I must not forget my Spanish friends, who were treated to a spiritual Guernica by our Hitlerjugend pope:

Fighting broke out outside a church in Rome yesterday after the Pope beatified 498 priests and nuns killed in the Spanish Civil War.

In a speech to 30,000 – mainly Spanish – pilgrims in St Peter’s Square, Pope Benedict XVI paid tribute to the “martyrs” of the 1936-39 war and put them on the path to sainthood. “Their words and gestures of forgiveness towards their persecutors should enable us to work towards reconciliation and peaceful coexistence,” he said.



The Roman Catholic Church largely supported Franco during the war and its aftermath. Critics said it was again choosing sides by honouring victims on only one side and that the Pope should have recognised the Church’s role in supporting a fascist dictator who killed untold thousands and overthrew a democratically elected government.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2758581.ece

[drone]

What should I call Ratzinger then? A communist resistance fighter?

That would be an ecumenical matter.

[gaelic cowboy]

COLM: Hello there Father.
TED: Ah, hello Colm. Out and about?
COLM: Ah, same as yourself.
TED: Good good.
COLM: I hear you're a racist now Father.
TED: Wha...What?
COLM: How did you get interested in that type of thing?
TED: Who said I'm a racist?
COLM: Everyone's sayin' it Father. Should we all be racist now? What's the official line the church is takin' on this.
TED: No, no.
COLM: Only the farm takes up most of the day and at night I just like a cup of tea. I mightn't be able to devote meself to the oul' racism.
MRS. CARBERRY: Good for you Father.
TED: What? Oh, Mrs. Carberry!
MRS. CARBERRY: Good for you Father. Well someone had the guts to stand up to them at last. Comin' over here, takin' our jobs and our women and actin' like they own the feckin' place. Well done Father. Good for you. Good for you. I'd like to feckin....
MRS. CARBERRY: Feckin' Greeks.
COLM: It isn't the Greeks, it's the Chinese he's after.
TED: I'm not after the Chinese.
MRS. CARBERRY: I don't care who he gets so long as I can have a go at the Greeks. They invented gayness!

[Rhyfelwyr]

lmao, the Catholics of the Backroom are having a fun time of it today.

Louis and myself are reforging the Auld Alliance through a common enemy...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

A German pope with a Hitler Jugend past rehabilitated this reactionary/fascist Society. What should I call Ratzinger then? A communist resistance fighter?

I don't know, but you might want to consider his old boss, the Polish resistence fighter, who set him up for the job.

No?

Just a thought there.

[Centurion1]

COLM: Hello there Father.
TED: Ah, hello Colm. Out and about?
COLM: Ah, same as yourself.
TED: Good good.
COLM: I hear you're a racist now Father.
TED: Wha...What?
COLM: How did you get interested in that type of thing?
TED: Who said I'm a racist?
COLM: Everyone's sayin' it Father. Should we all be racist now? What's the official line the church is takin' on this.
TED: No, no.
COLM: Only the farm takes up most of the day and at night I just like a cup of tea. I mightn't be able to devote meself to the oul' racism.
MRS. CARBERRY: Good for you Father.
TED: What? Oh, Mrs. Carberry!
MRS. CARBERRY: Good for you Father. Well someone had the guts to stand up to them at last. Comin' over here, takin' our jobs and our women and actin' like they own the feckin' place. Well done Father. Good for you. Good for you. I'd like to feckin....
MRS. CARBERRY: Feckin' Greeks.
COLM: It isn't the Greeks, it's the Chinese he's after.
TED: I'm not after the Chinese.
MRS. CARBERRY: I don't care who he gets so long as I can have a go at the Greeks. They invented gayness!

I've always wanted to name my son colm (i was almost named it) whenever i say the name all the folks back in the states act like im a loon and i wanna name my kind like apple or something. I right like the name though.

A German pope with a Hitler Jugend past rehabilitated this reactionary/fascist Society. What should I call Ratzinger then? A communist resistance fighter?

what about a young boy forced into it no matter what he may have thought at the time who has asked forgiveness for what happened many a time. Catholics were not exactly the favorite peoples of hitler you know.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I don't know, but you might want to consider his old boss, the Polish resistence fighter, who set him up for the job.

No?

No. One anti-communist monarch does not erase two millenia of this divine comedy. The Holy See, that's the history of power-hungry Medicis, warring Roman families, nepotists, torturers, warmongering philandering pederast indulgence sellers. Nothing holy about it.

I'm sure the piousness of the fourteen-year old shepherd girl is true. As is the wish of most Catholics to live the right way, to do what is right.

But as for the Vatican - no more mercy for it than for Scientology.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Wait, people actually think the Pope isnt a Nazi?

[HoreTore]

No. One anti-communist monarch does not erase two millenia of this divine comedy. The Holy See, that's the history of power-hungry Medicis, warring Roman families, nepotists, torturers, warmongering philandering pederast indulgence sellers. Nothing holy about it.

I'm sure the piousness of the fourteen-year old shepherd girl is true. As is the wish of most Catholics to live the right way, to do what is right.

But as for the Vatican - no more mercy for it than for Scientology.

Bah, Louis. The former popes were living in a world controlled by all-powerful kings and nobility, who did everything the popes did wrong plus a whole lot more.

Compare the popes of the middle ages to the inbred war criminals who controlled Germany, France, England etc, and the popes actually come out on top.

EDIT: However, their support for fascist control of Europe cannot be forgiven in any way whatsoever.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Bah, Louis. The former popes were living in a world controlled by all-powerful kings and nobility, who did everything the popes did wrong plus a whole lot more.

Compare the popes of the middle ages to the inbred war criminals who controlled Germany, France, England etc, and the popes actually come out on top.

EDIT: However, their support for fascist control of Europe cannot be forgiven in any way whatsoever.

Wait, I'm confused, why are you defending the popes?
MY WHOLE WORLD IS CRASHING DOWN UPON ME!

[HoreTore]

Wait, I'm confused, why are you defending the popes?
MY WHOLE WORLD IS CRASHING DOWN UPON ME!

Must be because I'm such a perfectly balanced, objective and unpartial man without any prejudice who treats everyone fairly.



Obviously...

[HoreTore]

Oh it does.

You know nothing about Christian beliefs, as you have admitted in the past, now you parrot ancient prejudices. You pronounce concerning things you neither know nor understand.

Your eyes are open but you do not see, as they say.

Now, either produce an argument or go away, cheap shots add nothing to the debate.

EDIT:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

EDIT:

so no argument then? In that case don't make sweeping statements about a religion you know next to nothing about.

No. One anti-communist monarch does not erase two millenia of this divine comedy. The Holy See, that's the history of power-hungry Medicis, warring Roman families, nepotists, torturers, warmongering philandering pederast indulgence sellers. Nothing holy about it.

I'm sure the piousness of the fourteen-year old shepherd girl is true. As is the wish of most Catholics to live the right way, to do what is right.

But as for the Vatican - no more mercy for it than for Scientology.

I wasn't talking about Papal history, though there have been good Popes, I was talking about the current Pope and what his relationship with the last Pope says about his politics.

I.e. does he support Pious X because he's a Nazi, or because he's a traditionalist?

[Brenus]

“the Polish resistence fighter” Jaryzelski? Oh, no, you probably speak of II, Jean Paul. The one who made nazi Saint (cf Croatian Aloysius Stepinac).
The problem with the high Catholic Clergy is so much anti-communist that they are loosing (if they ever get it) the plot: Nazism is bad.

Can be say the same for the Russian Orthodox one, mind you: They made Nicolas II a martyr and a Saint. The guy who ordered to shoot at a crowd demonstrating for bread…

[Louis VI the Fat]

The problem with the high Catholic Clergy

It is a bit of a problem. At every provocation, I explode into a barrage of 'reactionary fascists Catholics'.

Whereas, in reality, for the past five decades or so, the church at the base is rather left wing, progressive. It's the churches that collect for the third world, that have done a lot to protect the weak, from the homeless to the illegal immigrant. With a theology that stresses solidarity, not exclusion.
Every church you enter, there is, apart from a collection to restore the church (the physical building), a collection for some project in some poor country. Not all of which can be brushed aside as winning souls when they're down and destitute.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Whereas, in reality, for the past five decades or so, the church at the base is rather left wing, progressive.

The work of Jesuits and their liberation theology, no doubt. The sinking of the Titanic was only the beginning...

[Centurion1]

The work of Jesuits and their liberation theology, no doubt. The sinking of the Titanic was only the beginning...

The footsoldiers of god helped maintain the Church against dirty heretical protestants like yourself.

[HoreTore]

so no argument then? In that case don't make sweeping statements about a religion you know next to nothing about.

If that's how you wish to see things; be my guest. I honestly don't care, the joke lost its fun 5 threads ago, now it's getting boring...

[Rhyfelwyr]

The footsoldiers of god helped maintain the Church against dirty heretical protestants like yourself.

They are the footsoldiers of their own wafer god, not the YHWH of the Bible.

[gaelic cowboy]

They are the footsoldiers of their own wafer god, not the YHWH of the Bible.

As my mother used to say "Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile" my good man

[Rhyfelwyr]

As my mother used to say "Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile" my good man

Is minic an fhírinne searbh.

[gaelic cowboy]

Is minic an fhírinne searbh.

Indeed it often is, now apply it to your own blinkered beliefs.

[Centurion1]

cool lets turn the thread to gaelic........

im not even going to have a religious argument who thinks im a worshiper for the anti-christ.

[gaelic cowboy]

cool lets turn the thread to gaelic........

im not even going to have a religious argument who thinks im a worshiper for the anti-christ.

I quite like the idea of being a Catholic Cylon working to bring hell fire to the Earth for the Beast.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I don't regard all Catholics as reprobate, since the word is still preached in their churches. My issue is with the Catholic Church as an institution, since the Bible says even the very elect will be deceived. As with Louis, my problem is with the upper echelons of the Vatican hierarchy, and the political and theological decisions they continue to enforce.