If it wasn't so mean-spirited, it would be funny...

**Fragony** · 03-14-2010, 11:54

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

If she planned show up there waving a protest banner and shouting gay rights slogans I would agree with you, but if simply showing up with your girlfriend already qualifies as "imposing" I think you lost me.

For these people that is exactly what she did. And she did it willingly, to provocate.

**Ser Clegane** · 03-14-2010, 12:17

Originally Posted by Fragony

For these people that is exactly what she did. And she did it willingly, to provocate.

What do you mean for "these people". If for "these people" simply showing up is already equivalent to waving a banner and shouting slogans, then perhaps "these people" are the problem and not this girl.

Perhaps "these people" should consider learning some tolerance as part of decent behaviour just as other "people" learned in the past. As long as the girl and her friend do not do anything that would be different from what other couples are doing at the prom I still do not quite see the problem.

**InsaneApache** · 03-14-2010, 12:23

There was a case in Scotland recently where a school camping and mountaineering trip was cancelled because a disabled girls mother complained that she couldn't go because the terrain was too difficult for her to manage, due to her disability. I'm sure that made the poor lass popular with her classmates.

Not in the same league as two hot chicks french kissing. Who in their right mind would ban that. Some people would pay good money to see summat like that.

**Fragony** · 03-14-2010, 12:37

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

What do you mean for "these people". If for "these people" simply showing up is already equivalent to waving a banner and shouting slogans, then perhaps "these people" are the problem and not this girl.

Perhaps "these people" should consider learning some tolerance as part of decent behaviour just as other "people" learned in the past. As long as the girl and her friend do not do anything that would be different from what other couples are doing at the prom I still do not quite see the problem.

As I said the people leading the school are idiots, but she is the one being disrespectful of a valued tradition. It doesn't matter how we look at these things.

**Ser Clegane** · 03-14-2010, 12:45

Originally Posted by Fragony

she is the one being disrespectful of a valued tradition.

Again, how is she "disrepspectful"? By simply showing up with her date? I thought the tradition is that you have a romantic evening with your date. Perhaps "these people" are disrespecting the tradition by not allowing her to show up with the date of her choice.
I still do not see how the presence of a gay couple is going to ruin the prom. Why would anybody care? "These people" should spend more time on having a good time with their dates than going "OMG teh gays are ruining the prom".

**Fragony** · 03-14-2010, 13:03

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

Again, how is she "disrepspectful"? By simply showing up with her date? I thought the tradition is that you have a romantic evening with your date. Perhaps "these people" are disrespecting the tradition by not allowing her to show up with the date of her choice.
I still do not see how the presence of a gay couple is going to ruin the prom. Why would anybody care? "These people" should spend more time on having a good time with their dates than going "OMG teh gays are ruining the prom".

You are of course right, but you don't see it from my perspective. You agreed with me had she been waving gay rights signs, how exactly is this any different iff prom is traditionally a boy+girl thing? Who is wrong, the one too fixated on old traditions, or the one not respecting these old traditions, that I will leave to you that's a matter of opinion.

**PanzerJaeger** · 03-14-2010, 13:52

What cowards.

If the school administration felt the need to take a stand on sexual orientation - which is not at all their place - they should have disallowed the girl to attend and dealt with the lawsuits and backlash. That would have at least been a principled stand.

But to turn it back around on the 16 year old girl by canceling the prom altogether is just pathetic. It reeks of immaturity and spite. She is going to be tortured for this.

**KukriKhan** · 03-14-2010, 16:19

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

What cowards.

If the school administration felt the need to take a stand on sexual orientation - which is not at all their place - they should have disallowed the girl to attend and dealt with the lawsuits and backlash. That would have at least been a principled stand.

But to turn it back around on the 16 year old girl by canceling the prom altogether is just pathetic. It reeks of immaturity and spite. She is going to be tortured for this.

Fricke v. Lynch. They probably got legal advice to simply cancel the event, rather than either approve or deny McMillan's request. So then the issue becomes, instead of McMillan's Freedom of Speech rights, the "rights" of students to even have a school-sanctioned and -sponsored Prom. Some smart lawyer might (probably will) take up the case, pointing to other school events and extracurricular activities (football teams, debate clubs, etc) getting permission to use school-, that is: taxpayer-owned, facilities. Net result 2 years down the road?

No extracurricular activities at all. Or
membership in activities open to all.

Public education. What a riot.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 03-14-2010, 17:16

Frags, frags, frags.

Homophobia is sooo Sudan or Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

What cowards.

If the school administration felt the need to take a stand on sexual orientation - which is not at all their place - they should have disallowed the girl to attend and dealt with the lawsuits and backlash. That would have at least been a principled stand.

But to turn it back around on the 16 year old girl by canceling the prom altogether is just pathetic. It reeks of immaturity and spite. She is going to be tortured for this.

Perfectly summed up.

**johnhughthom** · 03-14-2010, 13:56

I'm guessing we haven't heard the full story, couldn't she have just turned up at the event with her girlfriend wearing a tuxedo? Do you have to show a photo of what you are going to wear and who you are going to bring? Seems to me she is not some poor little girl who can't bring the love of her life to her school prom, she probably knew exactly what would happed when she "asked" permission.

Don't get me wrong, the school are still pathetic in my book.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-14-2010, 14:01

But if they allow gay couples to mix with straight people, then they might be influenced and turn gay.

Like when they allowed blacks to have proms on the same night, and the white kids...

Nah, even I'll admit that this is petty. But at the same time there's no need for the leftist moral outrage, she could just suck it up and respect peoples traditions, the world doesn't have to change just for her.