Low Gaul morale

**Duguntz** · 03-20-2010, 09:03

Originally Posted by vartan

There are many things EB's MP veterans would be upset about if they saw it occur in battle, but going around using flaming arrows wouldn't be one of them. It would be just fine!

Those are really, people used to win every single battle in campaing and then frustrating when they see that a player outsmart them! I mean... to say that clicking benind a phalanx to make your units run threw is cheating, ok (though i've some issue with that one too) but to say that fire missile is treachin... I mean common, what's the next step? soon we'll hear... Ha no, you cannot use heavy infantry against my Legions, it's cheating. Fire arrows is a ''special ability'' and ought to bu used wherever and whenever the player wants. If it dosen't make sens for some of u, well, use your imagination and imagine there's 1 slave per 5 archer carrying touch and that's it... The hell with cheating dad gummit

**Kival** · 03-20-2010, 14:44

Originally Posted by Duguntz

Those are really, people used to win every single battle in campaing and then frustrating when they see that a player outsmart them! I mean... to say that clicking benind a phalanx to make your units run threw is cheating, ok (though i've some issue with that one too) but to say that fire missile is treachin... I mean common, what's the next step? soon we'll hear... Ha no, you cannot use heavy infantry against my Legions, it's cheating. Fire arrows is a ''special ability'' and ought to bu used wherever and whenever the player wants. If it dosen't make sens for some of u, well, use your imagination and imagine there's 1 slave per 5 archer carrying touch and that's it... The hell with cheating dad gummit

I'm relativley sure Vartan told us to use flaming arrows is no problem in multiplayer ;-).

**antisocialmunky** · 03-20-2010, 14:53

Yeah. The barb charging tactics we use involve 1 unit with fire arrows.

If we were to complain about anything it would be that fear penalties don't rely on numbers so 1 set of flaming arrows or 1 unit of Gaesatae scares pretty much all units in a certain radius that is about 1/2 your main line.

**Kival** · 03-20-2010, 15:07

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Yeah. The barb charging tactics we use involve 1 unit with fire arrows.

If we were to complain about anything it would be that fear penalties don't rely on numbers so 1 set of flaming arrows or 1 unit of Gaesatae scares pretty much all units in a certain radius that is about 1/2 your main line.

So it does not make sence to use more than one scaring unit in your army?

**Duguntz** · 03-20-2010, 18:00

It does make sens to use more than one, if you fight on a large area. keep them far from missile though! in general i use 2 scary units in ambush... in the heat of battle when moral is depleted on both side, i spring those fear units... in general, the ennemy rout... one at each end of the battle line... plus a xtrong center as i don't know if those in the center are affected by the ''fear radius''.

And for my older post, yeah, I tought Vartan was speaking about those who'd think it's cheating to use flamming arrows... it's my mistake, sorry!

**vartan** · 03-21-2010, 22:38

Originally Posted by Kival

So it does not make sence to use more than one scaring unit in your army?

Save it for the visitor message page Duguntz. And Kival it doesn't make sense* unless you realize that no unit is unstoppable. If your scary unit routs, what scary units have you left?

**Kival** · 03-22-2010, 00:18

Originally Posted by vartan

(...)make sense*

Ups. Thanks, I make that mistake far to often... Nonetheless, it is a good idea to have some additional fear unit in your backhand but i did want to know if you get a bonus for more than one unit at the same moment.

**Unintended BM** · 03-27-2010, 04:24

On my newest Roman campaign, the Gauls still rout really quickly, but it's nearly impossible to get low casualties. They don't fight for long, but they do some damage for the short time they fight.

**Titus Marcellus Scato** · 03-20-2010, 14:59

I'm not saying it's cheating to use flaming arrows. Just that I like to roleplay these things, some people don't, that's fine. Each to their own.

My understanding of fire arrows is that their use was relatively rare - it was much more common for archers to fire an ordinary arrow than a flaming one. Otherwise accounts of ancient battles involving archers would nearly always include descriptions of flaming arrows streaking across the sky. If it was easy to fire flaming arrows, you'd want to use them most of the time because they are scary, and demoralise poorly-disciplined enemy troops. But relatively few accounts of ancient battles specify that flaming arrows were used, so I assume that they were relatively rarely used because using them was not easy for some reason, and firing ordinary arrows is much easier and faster.

My houserule just enables me to keep my use of fire arrows to a minimum, and not use them all the time to scare the AI troops and give me easy victories.