Mafia IX: Triumph of the Mafia [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

Hmmmm. Nothing to stop them being told in public.

I dont have any shame over them, dunno about Beefy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is a bit off-topic, thats my only concern.

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Ibn

Sorry with the insanity that is keeping up with Shadow Fort I havent being posting much here. I have caught back up and I feel Ibn is the better choice even in a tied thing he appears to have little to say in his defence.

[Joooray]

He is not the only person to follow this trend of behaviour, though; Joooray comes to mind as someone who does the exact same, both in Mafia IX and Shadow Fort, actually.

Oh come on , I always try my best not to follow blindly any bandwagon I'm being offered. But I'm not that good at destructing post to get the essences of scumminess, so I try to just follow if I find the case justified.

But in the future I will try to prove more that I have a mind on my own.

[Beefy187]

Hmmmm. Nothing to stop them being told in public.

I dont have any shame over them, dunno about Beefy.

Shame? I'm Japanese. I would Harakiri my self then to live in shame...

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Go ahead pever but best not to go off topic in the main thread

[Sigurd]

vote: abstain

[Kagemusha]

Well if the Sith says so: Unvote and Vote: Ibn

[Secura]

But in the future I will try to prove more that I have a mind on my own.

I apologise if it seems like I was attacking your style of playing, JooJoo; I just noticed in both current games (as well as some previous ones) that you tend to vote according to bandwagons... you're not the only person to do it, you were just a name that came to mind.

I'm glad that you will try to throw your own ideas out in the future though, it's always nice to see more interpretations of information.

[Secura]

Oh, and before I forget, I'm going to vote: Sigurd for two reasons really.

The first is that his behaviour has been suspicious, as others have pointed out for various reasons that there's no need to repeat. The case for him is a little stronger than that against Ibn-Khaldun too.

The second? Ibn is already dead in Shadow Fort, and I'd hate to be in the shoes of someone who's dead in both games; might as well let him play this one a little longer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

lol JooJoo.

I am going to call him JooJoo from now on.

[Joooray]

lol JooJoo.

I am going to call him JooJoo from now on.

Well, I hope it doesn't mean anything nasty that I don't understand, other than that, I have a similar nickname in RL.

@Secura:
Don't be too happy about that just yet, it is mostly a lack of time that makes me follow already established cases. And I don't see that change anytime soon.
But as I said, I'll try to keep in mind not to become mindless Stimmvieh (a German term that can be translated as "voting-cattle").

[Secura]

Well, I hope it doesn't mean anything nasty that I don't understand

Noooo, it's just a slightly different way of saying this character's nickname, nothing nasty at least. xD

But as I said, I'll try to keep in mind not to become mindless Stimmvieh (a German term that can be translated as "voting-cattle").

Any contribution is better than nothing at all, JooJoo.

[Sigurd]

Oh, and before I forget, I'm going to vote: Sigurd for two reasons really.

The first is that his behaviour has been suspicious, as others have pointed out for various reasons that there's no need to repeat. The case for him is a little stronger than that against Ibn-Khaldun too.

Admit it... there is no case.

The second? Ibn is already dead in Shadow Fort, and I'd hate to be in the shoes of someone who's dead in both games; might as well let him play this one a little longer.

Metagaming

[Secura]

Admit it... there is no case.

I think there is; as soon as Beskar made his accusations of you lurking, you were on him like flies to a heap of manure. This shows that you were paying attention to the thread but not posting, a typical mafioso tactic.

Why the lurking in the first place? This game isn't going to be won by investigation results, but cold hard analysis of the write-ups and player behaviour. From what I've seen, you're actually a good mafia player, so why be noncommittal in this game when town victory could well hinge on your contributions? It doesn't really make sense, people might as well not sign up if that's the case.

As you have stated yourself, whatever your alignment, the town is better off by lynching you; we're either losing a non-committal townie or we're lynching scum. I think you should have and could have argued better in your defense, really.

Metagaming

The aforementioned reasons make this point moot.

[Thermal]

Sigurd may have been away in parts of the game, but he usually is, nothing more scummy than usual I don't feel.

vote: Ibn

[Secura]

Sigurd may have been away in parts of the game, but he usually is, nothing more scummy than usual I don't feel.

vote: Ibn

Why so? If you're town in this game, you should actually contribute to the discussions rather than lurking, don't you think?

It's counter-productive for a townie to stay silent and not post; they might as well have not bothered signing up, it's just a hinderance to those who do contribute, in my opinion.

[Kagemusha]

Why so? If you're town in this game, you should actually contribute to the discussions rather than lurking, don't you think?

It's counter-productive for a townie to stay silent and not post; they might as well have not bothered signing up, it's just an insult to those who do contribute and to the host too, in my opinion.

So you want to mold each and everyones style of play to yours? Sigurd is a player that doesnt babble in the thread the whole time during the game, but has given many times good insights at the later stages of the game. With your logic only the ones who bark loudest should remain in the game.

[Thermal]

Why so? If you're town in this game, you should actually contribute to the discussions rather than lurking, don't you think?

It's counter-productive for a townie to stay silent and not post; they might as well have not bothered signing up, it's just a hinderance to those who do contribute, in my opinion.

I agree with Kage, GH said no one qualified for WoG yet and Sigurd has posted when necessary, just not every 2 minutes like most other players. He contributes when he needs to, not for the sake of it. Besides, Sigurd usually behaves in this way, so its Ibn (who picked out something first, possibly trying to make ATPG look guilty?) vs Sigurd who hasn't really done anything out of character at all.

[Secura]

So you want to mold each and everyones style of play to yours?

No, that is not the case; this is an entirely different game setup. There are no power roles or anything of the sort to rely upon and we won't be informed if we lynch a mafioso or not until the second is found; the mafia get two kills per night regardless.

Sigurd is a player that doesnt babble in the thread the whole time during the game, but has given many times good insights at the later stages of the game.

As I stated, I was informed that Sigurd was a good player; if he were town, could he not have made such sterling contributions sooner? Also, I appreciate the thinly-veiled insult there, very tactful and entirely puerile.

With your logic only the ones who bark loudest should remain in the game.

Again, not the case in this game; town conversation is key to victory. We're not waiting on a detective to reveal who the mafia is, we've got to figure it out for ourselves. How does staying silent help, exactly?

What would you advocate, then? Everyone stays silent except for voting? Be realistic.

[Secura]

Sigurd has posted when necessary, just not every 2 minutes like most other players

Oh... is that so? I think you should take a look at Sigurd's three posts (not counting his sign-up) prior to Beskar's accusation to ascertain whether that is true or not:

*shakes head*

Testing... Beskar & Secura sitting in a tree K I S S I N G.

This game has the potential to end in two rounds ... If we are lucky. Ninth time lucky?

I don't see any votes in there, nor anything constructive towards town debate... what doe it say to you?

'When necessary' indeed.

Besides, Sigurd usually behaves in this way... Sigurd who hasn't really done anything out of character at all.

Having been here only since the end of January and, to my recollection, having not played any games with Sigurd until Mafia IX and Shadow Fort, I would not have known something like this. To me, as pretty much an outsider, it appears to be scummy lurking.

[Kagemusha]

No, that is not the case; this is an entirely different game setup. There are no power roles or anything of the sort to rely upon and we won't be informed if we lynch a mafioso or not until the second is found; the mafia get two kills per night regardless.



As I stated, I was informed that Sigurd was a good player; if he were town, could he not have made such sterling contributions sooner? Also, I appreciate the thinly-veiled insult there, very tactful and entirely puerile.



Again, not the case in this game; town conversation is key to victory. We're not waiting on a detective to reveal who the mafia is, we've got to figure it out for ourselves. How does staying silent help, exactly?

What would you advocate, then? Everyone stays silent except for voting? Be realistic.

Like i already said it doesnt have to be one of the extremes. You know some players tend to create discussion while others tend to follow the behaviour of other players and then give their views about it to others after some observation. Simple as that. Having played from the first game ever started in hear i have had some time to observe few of the regular players.

[Secura]

Having played from the first game ever started in hear i have had some time to observe few of the regular players.

I have a very long way to go to catch you up in that respect. :P

[Thermal]

Whilst I condone activity, I'm hardly going to condemn someone for not being really active if they never usually are, in fact it would look scummier if he was really active as its not usually what he does.

Though his posts haven't been useful so far (I assumed they may have been) I still don't need to vote him for it.

[Renata]

I think I do. Though Ibn does ping me a bit, I think I'd rather keep someone around who's going to give something to go on as the game goes on, as opposed to someone with basically no history at all.

vote: Sigurd

[Beskar]

My prediction is, once Sigurd is dead, he will pick up activity, to confuse the town.

[Thermal]

My prediction is, once Sigurd is dead, he will pick up activity, to confuse the town.

Isn't that more Yaseikhaan Style?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't hear much from Sigurd regarding who he feels should die instead of himself. He went after his accuser Beskar, but that could just as easily have been me for also voting him. His defense was "it's okay if I die" and his attack was OMGUS. Which is fine, whatever... I don't expect everyone to give a passionate defense and it's hard to reverse a wagon in a game like this with no proof. What was he going to do, pull a rabbit out of his hat?

Still, the random one says he needed to die, and I find his lack of votes disturbing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I suppose I'll go for sigurd.

vote:sigurd

[TinCow]

The Lord has spoken.

Vote: Sigurd

You would all do well to follow his guidance!

[Thermal]

Still, the random one says he needed to die, and I find his lack of votes disturbing.

Lack of votes? He has most the votes.