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    Christianity will not exist because the Parthians will conquer the Seleucid domains and Judea will be an ally or protectorate of Parthians and the Jewish society won’t require a messiah to free them.
    Probably the Hasmoneans and the Ptolemeis will remain in power as puppets of Parthians. First, they will require Parthian help against the Seleucids, and later to remain in power. I imagine this because in real history they allied with the Romans against Seleucids, and with no Romans it's naturally they will go tho the Parthians

    Maybe John the Baptist and Jesus will manage to reform the Orthodox Judaism but it will be a reformed Judaism (not Christianity), only for Jews. So please try to imagine the historical evolution without Christianity and Islam......
    You have Zoroastrianism, Zalmoxianism, Germanic and Celtic Polytheism....etc. so live Christianity and Islam
    You could imagine however how the Phenician religion will evolve in South-West, perhaps will evolve in monotheism, with Baal as the only god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator Invictus View Post
    Christianity will not exist because the Parthians will conquer the Seleucid domains and Judea will be an ally or protectorate of Parthians and the Jewish society won’t require a messiah to free them.
    Probably the Hasmoneans and the Ptolemeis will remain in power as puppets of Parthians. First, they will require Parthian help against the Seleucids, and later to remain in power. I imagine this because in real history they allied with the Romans against Seleucids, and with no Romans it's naturally they will go tho the Parthians

    Maybe John the Baptist and Jesus will manage to reform the Orthodox Judaism but it will be a reformed Judaism (not Christianity), only for Jews. So please try to imagine the historical evolution without Christianity and Islam......
    You have Zoroastrianism, Zalmoxianism, Germanic and Celtic Polytheism....etc. so live Christianity and Islam
    You could imagine however how the Phenician religion will evolve in South-West, perhaps will evolve in monotheism, with Baal as the only god.
    Says who?

    Without Magnesia or without Roman intervention when Antiochos IV Epiphanes was at the gates of Alexandreia, the Seleukids were not as weak as they sometimes seem.

    Rome would not tolerate a powerful eastern kingdom (Ptollies, Seleukids). Without a supreme power in the west who is policing them, the Seleukids could have had much more and been far more stable (no Rome setting up rival kings for example).

    I have no time now to write a full world review, so I'll do that another time, I just wanted to point this out.

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    Sorry Fluvius Camillus, I haven’t detailed the fall of Seleucids. I agree that the Seleucids will not be conquered only by Parthians, the western possessions will be under Tigranes (as they were) but this time, Armenia will (later) fall to the Parthians, so finally Syria and Anatolia will be Parthian an Zoroastrian. That is why I’ve said that the Parthians will dominate.



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    anyway cristianism without rome would be a small regional religion and nowaday hippies would sit in tea shops drinking their grass and discussing about cristianityjust like today's hippies sit in tea shops drinking their grass and talking about buddhism and eastern philosophies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duguntz View Post
    anyway cristianism without rome would be a small regional religion and nowaday hippies would sit in tea shops drinking their grass and discussing about cristianityjust like today's hippies sit in tea shops drinking their grass and talking about buddhism and eastern philosophies...
    But Buddhism is actually very widespread....
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    compare it to islam or cristianity, the number of worshiper for their respective religion... no, buddism is still marginal in most of the world! I'm not saying it as a buddism basher, I like their philosophy, but it's a fact that not many monk in orange dress walk the streets
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    Buddhists don't get enough attention cuz they prefer "getting on with life in a good way".....Either that or the occasional utopian Basileus like Ashoka. Notice how it all falls apart when the saint kicks the bucket.




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