The United Kingdom Elections 2010

[Subotan]

you might, i don't, and i don't think it will play too well with floating voters either.

Germany has been racked by guilt for the Second World War for several generations, and it's always going to be a stain on Germany's history. Yet Germany has moved on. Business links with Russia, America, France, America etc. are all extremely strong. Britain is no longer the "Perfidious Albion" of pre-1945 German media, but recognised as an equal partner on the world stage.

And yet, a juvenile, ignorant and totally repulsive attitude exists in Britain of a feeling of superiority over Germany and Germans as a whole. Despite the fact that there is hardly anyone alive who actually fought against Fascism, apparently every British citizen alive today was a contributor to "winning the war", as if it finished last week. I don't need to give any examples because it such a common phenomenon in British society. The numerous contributions that Germany has made to science, the arts, engineering and pre-1914/post-1945 history go totally ignored. It is insulting to Germany and the German people, and Clegg was entirely in the right to speak out against this rot that infests Britain.

Well It seems the Conservative supporting papers are out in force against Clegg today. Looks like they're finally worry and feel that Dave needs saving.

It can only be a good sign

[Furunculus]

Germany has been racked by guilt for the Second World War for several generations, and it's always going to be a stain on Germany's history. Yet Germany has moved on. Business links with Russia, America, France, America etc. are all extremely strong. Britain is no longer the "Perfidious Albion" of pre-1945 German media, but recognised as an equal partner on the world stage.

And yet, a juvenile, ignorant and totally repulsive attitude exists in Britain of a feeling of superiority over Germany and Germans as a whole. Despite the fact that there is hardly anyone alive who actually fought against Fascism, apparently every British citizen alive today was a contributor to "winning the war", as if it finished last week. I don't need to give any examples because it such a common phenomenon in British society. The numerous contributions that Germany has made to science, the arts, engineering and pre-1914/post-1945 history go totally ignored. It is insulting to Germany and the German people, and Clegg was entirely in the right to speak out against this rot that infests Britain.

straw-man, and absolute bobbins!

there are always nut-cases, they they always shout loud, should I tar germany with the visible presence of their neo-nazi groups...........? no, because it doesn't reflect germany as a whole.

clegg is talking utter guff, and repellent guff at that. i do not want him representing me.

Also, 'Britain's cross' is not Britain's past. It is not the history of Britain that is compared with the history of Germany. It is the dealing with history that is compared. Germany's cross to wear is simply guilt, that of Britain is more insiduous still, namely misplaced superiority, sometimes resulting in outright insulting behaviour.

more bobbins, i'll be the judge of the intellectual strait-jacket through which I grapple with british history, thank you very much.

[Beskar]

straw-man, and absolute bobbins!

there are always nut-cases, they they always shout loud, should I tar germany with the visible presence of their neo-nazi groups...........? no, because it doesn't reflect germany as a whole.

clegg is talking utter guff, and repellent guff at that. i do not want him representing me.


more bobbins, i'll be the judge of the intellectual strait-jacket through which I grapple with british history, thank you very much.

Not exactly, it is pretty true. What is even more funny, the English keep going "1966!!!" to the Germans, and the Germans are like "What? Who cares?"

[Furunculus]

Not exactly, it is pretty true. What is even more funny, the English keep going "1966!!!" to the Germans, and the Germans are like "What? Who cares?"

still utter bobbins, please define 'the english'?

The phenomenon which I and Clegg are talking about has nothing in common with the far-right. The far-right is a minority group of mentally challenged extrremists. Anti-German sentiment in the UK is something which is far deeper and more insitutionalised.

80 per cent of British schoolchildren, when asked what they associated with Germany, mentioned the Second World War, and 50 per cent mentioned Hitler. Even John Cleese hates it, saying at a competition at the German Embassy ""I’m delighted to help with trying to break down the ridiculous anti-German prejudices of the tabloids and clowns like Basil Fawlty, who are pathetically stuck in a world view that’s more than half a century out of date...I think the German contribution to literature and philosophy is extraordinary, and to music and science is enormous.". To say that this a "strawman" argument is to say that we live in a nation of scarecrows.

yes, some people are idiots, but obey the laws of the land and you can think whatever you want as i have no truck with the thought police mentality, and the last time i checked aggressive english nationalism has not caused any atrocities genocides or invasions.

So What?

[Beskar]

still utter bobbins, please define 'the english'?

For some reason, I doubt it is the Scottish, the Welsh or the Northern Irish will keep going "1966 to you, Germans!".

[Furunculus]

For some reason, I doubt it is the Scottish, the Welsh or the Northern Irish will keep going "1966 to you, Germans!".

and i somehow doubt it is any great proportion of the english too. straw man. utter bobbins.

[Myrddraal]

Watching snippets on youtube now. Brown certainly doesn't come across very well. So far every statement has revolved around the words "I have to do this all the time, every day, I have to get on with the job", which doesn't tell us very much other than that he's the current prime minister.

[Furunculus]

Cameron: I'm really totally different from these two, d00ds.

Brown: I'm a statesman, and the other guys are dangerous.

Clegg: I'm new, and i'll interrupt people a lot.

[Louis VI the Fat]

more bobbins, i'll be the judge of the intellectual strait-jacket through which I grapple with british history, thank you very much.

What straight-jacket?

Clegg makes the fair point that a view of history best left to the schoolyard and football stadium, has an altogether too large influence on civilised English society. Best to leave 'Two World Wars and One World Cup' to the football stands. (Never mind that the World Cup and at least one World War owe a good deal to Russians. Never mind too that it has never occurred to the singers of it that German fans, Europe's most succesful football nation, are of course not the least bit impressed by foreigners celebrating their one little success of fifty years ago)


Perhaps the real significance is that Murdoch send his bloodhounds to scour over the whole of Clegg's past, and this non-issue is the best they could dig up.