StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

not everyone plays the same way. so you could be wrong.

Good, then we will have successfully sniffed out all the pro-town roles. Oh poo, darn and drat. That's just how it goes. I'm not particularly in the mood to care, this hasn't been a game for pro-town roles and I understand that others can gain abilities anyway. Whoever you are, you aren't worth more than Beskar/Chaotix/Psychonaut were. Soft-claiming doesn't help either.

Are you asking my character name or just my role in the game? my first response was based on my assumption that you were asking for my character name.

At this point I'll settle for nothing less than a quoted Role PM, since it's not against the rules to do so. Do this and I'll remove my vote from you.

[atheotes]

Good, then we will have successfully sniffed out all the pro-town roles. Oh poo, darn and drat. That's just how it goes. I'm not particularly in the mood to care, this hasn't been a game for pro-town roles and I understand that others can gain abilities anyway. Whoever you are, you aren't worth more than Beskar/Chaotix/Psychonaut were. Soft-claiming doesn't help either.



At this point I'll settle for nothing less than a quoted Role PM, since it's not against the rules to do so. Do this and I'll remove my vote from you.

I am not claiming any role - soft or not. You were town 2 phases ago. That is not enough for me to trust you. I would rather keep you guessing.
Your can keep your vote on me

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am not claiming any role - soft or not. You were town 2 phases ago. That is not enough for me to trust you. I would rather keep you guessing.
Your can keep your vote on me

I was town two phases ago and there hasn't been a female recruit since. If you were a basic role you would just claim.

And so I shall keep my vote where it is.

[atheotes]

I was town two phases ago and there hasn't been a female recruit since. If you were a basic role you would just claim.

And so I shall keep my vote where it is.

According to you
How are you so sure that recruitment will show in the write up?

[Askthepizzaguy]

According to you
How are you so sure that recruitment will show in the write up?

^
Stalling while forging a role PM.

There has already been at least two recruits shown in the write-up. It even tells us when a Padwan has been promoted.

[atheotes]

^
Stalling while forging a role PM.

There has already been at least two recruits shown in the write-up. It even tells us when a Padwan has been promoted.

If you dont mind can you point me to the recruitments?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:atheotes

[atheotes]

unvote, vote:atheotes

reason pls

[Sasaki Kojiro]

reason pls

Because you're mafia.

[atheotes]

Because you're mafia.

good luck with that.
Seriously, you can do better than this. I dont want this to be a distraction. There is no point in revealing in thread. the only person i am willing to reveal to is Chaotix.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you dont mind can you point me to the recruitments?

Interesting.... I cannot.

[Askthepizzaguy]

On second thought, if you're Sith you're doing a pretty good job of hiding it. I may be misreading you.

unvote: atheotes

[atheotes]

Interesting.... I cannot.

i was asking sincerely... I still dont see the recruitments.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i was asking sincerely... I still dont see the recruitments.

You're correct.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

good luck with that.
Seriously, you can do better than this. I dont want this to be a distraction. There is no point in revealing in thread. the only person i am willing to reveal to is Chaotix.

Do it then. Why didn't you when he was proven to be Yoda?

unvote, vote:pevergreen

[Kagemusha]

Vote: pevergreen. You havent done anything constructive the whole game. Still you keep hanging around as if you were interested.

[atheotes]

Do it then. Why didn't you when he was proven to be Yoda?

unvote, vote:pevergreen

I initially did not want to do it for the same reason we had decided not to do it with Andres. But after he voted and posted that he can do so, i think it is ok to reveal to him. I did not have the time to do it and when i came back i got involved with ATPG.
I cant find the rules post...am i allowed to quote my role-pm?

[atheotes]

You're correct.

hmm... what did you think was Sith recruitment shown in the write-up?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I initially did not want to do it for the same reason we had decided not to do it with Andres. But after he voted and posted that he can do so, i think it is ok to reveal to him. I did not have the time to do it and when i came back i got involved with ATPG.
I cant find the rules post...am i allowed to quote my role-pm?

The rules are very few, and I read them all. Yes, you probably can quote it.

Rules are – few…

The game will be divided into two phases per round. A day phase where everybody participates and a night phase where very few participate.
What the particulars are will be revealed in due time.

I am aiming for a game that could become a classic, a game that even after being played once could be played again without too many changes.
As with the Midgard games, I strive to innovate. That is true for this game as well.

I believe at this point the reason why it is allowed is because the Sith have cover roles. I'm not going to bother asking for role PMs at this point, Sigurd probably compensated for that. I've been going about this all wrong.

[atheotes]

The rules are very few, and I read them all. Yes, you probably can quote it.



I believe at this point the reason why it is allowed is because the Sith have cover roles. I'm not going to bother asking for role PMs at this point, Sigurd probably compensated for that. I've been going about this all wrong.

yeah...i saw that. Since there are no rules listed...i guess it is ok. But i am not a fan of mass reveals. Perhaps it is prudent to wait for the host. But that would paint suspicion on me.
Anyways if the sith have cover roles, i guess role claiming is of no use.

[Askthepizzaguy]

yeah...i saw that. Since there are no rules listed...i guess it is ok. But i am not a fan of mass reveals. Perhaps it is prudent to wait for the host. But that would paint suspicion on me.
Anyways if the sith have cover roles, i guess role claiming is of no use.

I strongly believe at this point, role claiming is totally useless. It's probably why Yaseikhaan never role claimed, it would expose the fact that the Sith have cover roles, and he was doomed anyway.

[Kagemusha]

I strongly believe at this point, role claiming is totally useless. It's probably why Yaseikhaan never role claimed, it would expose the fact that the Sith have cover roles, and he was doomed anyway.

I agree. I dont think this can be done any other way then the old fashioned way.Pressure the possible Sith´s and trust they will make a mistake, while simultaneosly observe the other players and their conduct.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Kage

On the other hand, the Sith recruitment thing either isn't as dire as I thought, or we will never know when the Sith have recruited someone. If it is visible, then they've never done it. If it isn't, the game is probably still balanced somehow.

If we can recover from some of these blunders we should be fine. Just treat it like a standard mafia game, like Kage is saying. Also, my premise for where the Sith Lord is hiding... it's total garbage at this point. There may be some merit in avoiding the lynch that way, but that theory was based on a lot of assumptions that just got shot to heck.

[Kagemusha]

@ Kage

On the other hand, the Sith recruitment thing either isn't as dire as I thought, or we will never know when the Sith have recruited someone. If it is visible, then they've never done it. If it isn't, the game is probably still balanced somehow.

If we can recover from some of these blunders we should be fine. Just treat it like a standard mafia game, like Kage is saying. Also, my premise for where the Sith Lord is hiding... it's total garbage at this point. There may be some merit in avoiding the lynch that way, but that theory was based on a lot of assumptions that just got shot to heck.

My hunch is that the Sith´s havent lost a single player. I believe that the names and roles havent got pretty much anything to with each other, with few exceptions like Yoda. If they would be connected.Then we would have 100% scum tell each time a Sith name is lynched.Which to me would make a unbalanced game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My hunch is that the Sith´s havent lost a single player. I believe that the names and roles havent got pretty much anything to with each other. If they woulkd be connected.Then we would have 100% lynch tell each time a Sith name is lynched.Which to me would make a unbalanced game.

I rather disagree... I think if the Sith have cover roles (Prevents mass reveals being effective at all) then the only way to really help out the town is to reveal the "true" name of a player when they die.

Look at Yaseikhaan's post-death behavior, it didn't seem pro-town to me. Then again I've not exactly been a reliable compass so far.

It's just that Palpatine was never ever on the "light" side of the force, no matter how young. Him posing as an initiate is just way off from being authentic, creative license or not.

[pevergreen]

Inishmore - i am not able to get the hang of the game. so i am not really into that game.

Oh come on! Ok, so the story is a bit lackluster. But theres only a few roles that havent been in other games. Bah! My games arent that hard to follow. Shadow Fort was harder. And jeez, don't get me started on the Castle.

Vote: pevergreen. You havent done anything constructive the whole game. Still you keep hanging around as if you were interested.

Actually, bored tbh.

[Kagemusha]

I rather disagree... I think if the Sith have cover roles (Prevents mass reveals being effective at all) then the only way to really help out the town is to reveal the "true" name of a player when they die.

Look at Yaseikhaan's post-death behavior, it didn't seem pro-town to me. Then again I've not exactly been a reliable compass so far.

It's just that Palpatine was never ever on the "light" side of the force, no matter how young. Him posing as an initiate is just way off from being authentic, creative license or not.

Ofcourse you could be right.If thats the case it would mean that we dont get any hint when the Sith recruits.It would mean that last night Sith lord killed Yoda with an apprentice that was recruited the same night. Or the rule of two doesnt apply. To me this just doesnt add up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Lord Winter

Active today, and there don't seem to be any WOG rules whatsoever for this game. He dropped off the map as soon as the game started, and he hasn't stopped by to say Hello. Since he won't be WOG'ed, he's either a disinterested townie or a lurking scum, and in either case he's totally useless to us in the endgame. He should be the default lynch (says Pizza with his remaining shred of credibility)

[atheotes]

Apologies Pizza - i am not sure what to make of all this. I am getting very bad vibes - you are making too many assumptions and it is unlike you.
I dont think there is anything here that needs to be confidential.

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So it begs the question.... and I'll ask this privately since it's a big deal. I do not want this discussed publicly. You knew they were not recruitments all along. Only someone who is actively aware of that as a Jedi, with a powerful role to keep, would be a pro-townie and not reveal that. You're involved with the Jedi Holocron somehow, aren't you?

It's either that or you're a Sith Lord.

Your secret is safe with me, I'm willing to be put to death for my error, but out of curiosity, how did you know? Who are you, really?

Just your name is fine at this point. I am hoping that my backing off and my idiocy regarding the recruitments should prove my good intentions.

If you don't answer I suppose I'll have to eat that and deal, but the fact is if I were a Sith (which I'm not) I already know you probably have a powerful role. May I ask who it is?

Unfortunately, you may be wrong in multiple counts. But i dont wish to elaborate as i dont trust you. sorry.

Fair enough.

What I thought was recruitment appears to actually be Jedi who are being summoned to view the Jedi Holocron, and gain new powers. This has been happening almost every night, there's NO WAY those are Sith recruitments.

My entire premise behind who the Sith are is probably wrong. The Sith don't recruit in that manner, and you're totally right, if the Sith are recruiting there may be no visible signs of such.

At the same time, it is known that people are capable of going Sith. That means they CAN gain recruits. It's probably the only thing which balances out the Jedi gaining abilities every night.

As I can fall to the Dark Side, I understand your hesitation to trust me. But I haven't turned and my lack of understanding about the game, plus the recent investigation, should be proof of that. I also backed off the instant I saw my case crumble before my eyes.

Maybe you can't trust me with secrets, but I am willing to listen to you. Who should be voted for? My premise for where the Sith Lord is hiding falls to pieces if there hasn't been so much recruitment as I thought, so I am back to square zero. I have to regroup, and guidance would be appreciated.

You're probably just a mid-level Jedi or something, and probably aware of the holocron thing as you might have gained powers by that, and that's probably why you didn't buy my theory about the recruitment every night because you saw the Holocron thing and knew exactly what it was. No idea. But whatever.

If I am so off base about that then you could be anybody.

continued from my response

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Do you have any objections to continuing this discussion in-thread?

I am wary of some of it. The reason being, I don't want the Sith to know that I know what I know, and that you knew it all along.

They will assume you've been to the Jedi holocron and this makes you a murder target. For your safety I'd switch the topic of discussion in public, and we can drop this in private if you wish.

I do not know if this is how you always gather information...i will let others be the judge of that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

you are making too many assumptions and it is unlike you.

I shall respond as brilliantly as you did. Eventually you'll see where the error in this sentence is, and then I won't need to defend myself anymore.