StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Greyblades]

Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.

[Kagemusha]

Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.

Maybe then we should vote you?

[naut]

Maybe then we should vote you?

I second this notion.

[Kagemusha]

I second this notion.

Notion granted. Unvote and vote:Greyblades

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, let's see if I understand the charges against me.

I've come under suspicion for apparently coming out of the khaan lynch too good, correct?

Andres PM'd me two days ago now, with the subject heading "It surprises me..."

to hear that you're involved in a townie group/network in the Revenge of the Sith game, given your firm stance against such networks/groups in the thread.

Care to explain?

To which I replied:

Uh, what? I've been involved in no such thing. Maybe I got investigated and cleared, but if so, it's happened without my knowledge and I haven't been contacted once about participation in anything.

This is the truth. Andres's PM came from totally out of the blue and I was thrown for a loop upon reading it.

However, I have had out-of-thread conversation with someone about the game. This was with khaan, of course. This is because khaan and I talk about *everything* out of thread. We're friends on Steam and we talk about things nearly every day. Some of it is about Mafia. Obviously Star Wars was going to come up. He was the one who initially alerted me to the Beskar issue back in Day 1. I easily took the bait, since it matched my feelings about pro-town networks anyway, and from there we had a couple of days where we would go after Beskar.

There were two times in the next days where I would take my vote off Beskar. One of them was on Day 2 when I joined the Pizza wagon. The other was a few days ago when Beskar made his defense and everything started to come out into the open and I finally realized my mistake. Both times, khaan kept his vote on Beskar. The second time, he pushed me on Steam to put my vote back on Beskar. Hard. This was uncharacteristic of khaan, and I realized as much about halfway through his pushing. He had never done anything like this before. So on Steam, I remained noncommittal, kept my vote off Beskar, and put it on khaan the next day.

I don't have the chatlog from that day, but even if I did I don't think it would have made any difference since you'd need to compare it with about a years' worth of other logs to contrast his behavior. But yeah, you guys are barking up the wrong tree here. I don't have a super-awesome power role, so my lynch won't be that bad, but you still ain't getting a Sith.

I'd also like to know a bit more about Andres's sources. Obviously, given the circumstances, you don't need to name names, but I still maintain that you need to check whoever led you on about me very closely.

[Renata]

Okay I haven't read the last two pages yet but ... what the heck, Pizza? The holocron as a Sith recruitment tool? That idea has had no basis in rational speculation since Methos' death at least (since he had been called on the second night). Add Beskar and it beggars belief that you could really think that was recruitment.

Explain in plain English what you were really trying to accomplish with all of that, or you're getting my vote and I don't even care if I can figure out how you could be Sith at this point.

[Renata]

Also, Psychonaut's PM to me had some information that may have bearing on the cover roles issue. I'm tempted to post it, since he still hasn't seen fit to answer my follow-up questions, real life reasons or no.

[pevergreen]

This was with khaan, of course. This is because khaan and I talk about *everything* out of thread.

GH: Oh hai khaaaan
khaan: GH how are you?
GH: Absolutely not fabolous.
khaan: Ooooooooh nooooo, what happened?
GH: Andres, would you believe it, totally just tried to message me privately. I was all like 'not in this house mister!'
khaan: Ooooh that lawyer is mine now, can I get him baby?
GH: Oooh you're so hot when you're angry
khaan: I need you so much right now.

etc etc

[Renata]

I think Lord Winter has been wogged in most games he has ever played. If he survives to the final rounds then we should lynch him.Me thinks its too early.

Agree partially. Next round will be fine, IMO, as at that point I think it will be safe to say that either Sigurd just plain isn't doing WOGs, or that Lord Winter is still alive for a reason. This round is still too early for me to be sure, and as you say a few posts on, I don't want to waste a lynch on WOG-bait.

[Husar]

Andres the director is sort of ordering people around like a sith lord, just something I noticed.

What would be a better cover for a sith lord than to appear to be trying really hard to help the town?
You know, like Palpatine did...

[Kagemusha]

Andres the director is sort of ordering people around like a sith lord, just something I noticed.

What would be a better cover for a sith lord than to appear to be trying really hard to help the town?
You know, like Palpatine did...

Well there is that small problem that he is dead.

[Renata]

@ Niklas

was busy IRL, when I got a chase to vote, found that the phase ended early.

IIRC the only phase that ended early was a *night* phase.

unvote, vote: Diana Abnoba

[naut]

I'm tempted to post it, since he still hasn't seen fit to answer my follow-up questions, real life reasons or no.

PM sent. Argh, that took quite a while.

[Husar]

Well there is that small problem that he is dead.

Well, so am I, what can you expect from someone who is braindead?

[Andres]

Okay, let's see if I understand the charges against me.

I've come under suspicion for apparently coming out of the khaan lynch too good, correct?

This.

And the fact that you pm'ed people about 'khaan urging you to vote for Beskar. It's subtle, it's nice, it leads to the lynch of 'khaan. The connection between the two of you in the beginning and a nice, subtle Queens' gambit. It smells like you.

Andres the director is sort of ordering people around like a sith lord, just something I noticed.

What would be a better cover for a sith lord than to appear to be trying really hard to help the town?
You know, like Palpatine did...

I got killed by the Sith somewhere at the beginning of the game...

Apart from that, I have no evidence of my innocence, sorry.

[Kagemusha]

I think GH is a good lynch, but we should also put pressure to others aswell.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And the fact that you pm'ed people about 'khaan urging you to vote for Beskar. It's subtle, it's nice, it leads to the lynch of 'khaan. The connection between the two of you in the beginning and a nice, subtle Queens' gambit. It smells like you.

Total lies. I did no such thing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, Greyblades, I never voted for you.

[Husar]

I got killed by the Sith somewhere at the beginning of the game...

Apart from that, I have no evidence of my innocence, sorry.

Yes, I was made aware of this minor flaw in my otherwise splendid theory, might just apply everything but your name to TinCow and Kagemusha.

Figures that I'm not going at this very scientifically this time around, but then I'm just a poor force-ghost and my brain was deactivated by an evil sith killer, how am I supposed to think like this?

[Andres]

Total lies. I did no such thing.

*snip*Like Yaseikhaan and GH were dead against it, but they were in their own town network, with anti-town networkers.. it is weird.*snip*

Why would Beskar lie to me?

Add to that some subtle posts by you here and there indicating that 'khaan was pushing you to vote Beskar and I smell something very fishy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF ANY NETWORK IN THIS GAME, protown, anti-protown, anti-town, pro-anti-anti-pro-antitown, or otherwise.

-edit- The posts really weren't that subtle. I was the one who initially called for a bandwagon on khaan, although that will probably just add to your other point.

[atheotes]

Okay I haven't read the last two pages yet but ... what the heck, Pizza? The holocron as a Sith recruitment tool? That idea has had no basis in rational speculation since Methos' death at least (since he had been called on the second night). Add Beskar and it beggars belief that you could really think that was recruitment.

Explain in plain English what you were really trying to accomplish with all of that, or you're getting my vote and I don't even care if I can figure out how you could be Sith at this point.

I will support you on that

[atheotes]

Hmm, who should I vote for? Lord winter who has been absent but hasnt been wogged indicating a role with night actions? Atheotes who is acting fidgety and inconsistent or GH who voted for me afew turns ago and andres thinks is scummy.

hmm....You are a lot more decisive than that.
FoS: Greyblades

[TinCow]

I HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF ANY NETWORK IN THIS GAME, protown, anti-protown, anti-town, pro-anti-anti-pro-antitown, or otherwise.

Coming from GH, I belive this statement. If he were in a network, Mafo-GH would not deny it like this, he would find some way to make it proof of his innocence. His explanation about Steam makes sense to me. Since that appears to be the only case against him...

Unvote; Vote: Greyblades

Posting for no reason except to say you can't make up your mind is scumtastic.

[Greyblades]

I would have been more decisive if I wasn't about to go to a maths lesson and had to leg it immediately afterwards.

Also, Greyblades, I never voted for you.

You didnt? Let me check... wrong game and a different guy sorry.

[Yaropolk]

FYI, Lord Winter just got WoG'd in Ishinmore, which started about the same time as this game. I doubt he's scum, and will probably be WoG'd here shortly as well.

[pevergreen]

FYI, Lord Winter just got WoG'd in Ishinmore, which started about the same time as this game. I doubt he's scum, and will probably be WoG'd here shortly as well.

Already said this, and he got wog'd at least 24 hours ago.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's lynch atheotes, pizza, kage and pever.

[Renata]

I'm cool with that. Then again, I'm in a really bad mood. :)

[Niklas]

Have a tally:

GeneralH 3: (ATPG, Diana, Diamondeye)
Thermal 3: (Chaotix, autolycus, Subotan)
Diana 3: (Niklas, GeneralH, Renata)
Jolt 1: (Thermal)
pevergreen 1: (Sasaki)
TinCow 1: (Yaropolk)
White_eyes 1: (atheotes)
Greyblades 1: (Kage)

I am not placated by Diana's responses. She's done nothing but skim along, her posts today contain no substance other than votes that directly mirror ATPG. I want more than a "sorry, RL" answer.