StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[atheotes]

Ofcourse you could be right.If thats the case it would mean that we dont get any hint when the Sith recruits.It would mean that last night Sith lord killed Yoda with an apprentice that was recruited the same night. Or the rule of two doesnt apply. To me this just doesnt add up.

I dont think the rule of 2 applies. It would not make sense from a game balance perspective what with so many claimed pro-town abilities. I am going to assume there are more than 2 sith and between them they have 2 kills.

[pevergreen]

vote: Lord Winter

Active today, and there don't seem to be any WOG rules whatsoever for this game. He dropped off the map as soon as the game started, and he hasn't stopped by to say Hello. Since he won't be WOG'ed, he's either a disinterested townie or a lurking scum, and in either case he's totally useless to us in the endgame. He should be the default lynch (says Pizza with his remaining shred of credibility)

WoG'd in my game due to inactivity.

[Kagemusha]

I dont think the rule of 2 applies. It would not make sense from a game balance perspective what with so many claimed pro-town abilities. I am going to assume there are more than 2 sith and between them they have 2 kills.

Well if the two can kill Yoda and Dooku.To me it doesnt sound as un balanced at all.The Sith just seem incredibly strong.Like i said earlier.I dont think we have got a single one out of them.

[Kagemusha]

Oh come on! Ok, so the story is a bit lackluster. But theres only a few roles that havent been in other games. Bah! My games arent that hard to follow. Shadow Fort was harder. And jeez, don't get me started on the Castle.



Actually, bored tbh.

Then you dont mind if we relieve you of your boredom by lynching you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just want to note that Lord Winter was active today on the forum but didn't post anywhere.

He might have gotten WOG'ed in pevergreen's game on purpose.

[Kagemusha]

Just want to note that Lord Winter was active today on the forum but didn't post anywhere.

He might have gotten WOG'ed in pevergreen's game on purpose.

I think Lord Winter has been wogged in most games he has ever played. If he survives to the final rounds then we should lynch him.Me thinks its too early.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Lord Winter has been wogged in most games he has ever played. If he survives to the final rounds then we should lynch him.Me thinks its too early.

I disagree. Those are the critical rounds which have the HIGHEST percentage chance of catching scum, and I refuse to waste those important rounds on whack-a-lurker.

We decide to lynch him or let him skate through the game, not wait until the final moments and then get second thoughts about leaving lurkers alive. Personally I vote death, since I have absolutely no (censored) idea who to lynch atm.

[Kagemusha]

I disagree. Those are the critical rounds which have the HIGHEST percentage chance of catching scum, and I refuse to waste those important rounds on whack-a-lurker.

We decide to lynch him or let him skate through the game, not wait until the final moments and then get second thoughts about leaving lurkers alive. Personally I vote death, since I have absolutely no (censored) idea who to lynch atm.

I still believe wog will come crushing down upon the total lurkers.I dont want to waste any lynches. I would still like to point at AVSM , who appeared from nowhere last round and posted twice while giving out an abstaining vote.That sounds like avoiding WOG if anything.

[atheotes]

Well if the two can kill Yoda and Dooku.To me it doesnt sound as un balanced at all.The Sith just seem incredibly strong.Like i said earlier.I dont think we have got a single one out of them.

Lets say the Sith are strong enough to kill anyone (100% kill rate) - it becomes similar to vanilla mafia. Even in that case, 2 out of 40 is very low numbers for mafia.

I still believe wog will come crushing down upon the total lurkers.I dont want to waste any lynches. I would still like to point at AVSM , who appeared from nowhere last round and posted twice while giving out an abstaining vote.That sounds like avoiding WOG if anything.

Agree with you on the Lord Winter case...we can leave him as a default lynch if we cant find anyone. But there is plenty of time.
AVSM was not the only one who tried to avoid the WOG - White_eyes also did that and a soft-claim as well.
Vote: White_eyes i am 50-50 about this...
I would like to hear from Diana as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I still believe wog will come crushing down upon the total lurkers.I dont want to waste any lynches. I would still like to point at AVSM , who appeared from nowhere last round and posted twice while giving out an abstaining vote.That sounds like avoiding WOG if anything.

It's round 6, 5 straight rounds of inactivity from Lord Winter and not so much as a hint or peep from Sigurd about WOG-bait players, and nothing in the rules pertaining to WOGs, and Sigurd is the type of host who would specifically mention how much activity is required before you get tossed out. No warning even after round 6, nothing in the rules against total lurking, plus Lord Winter being active today and still not posting anywhere, tells me he knows it is legal and he can do it all he likes, and that Sigurd will never WOG anyone.

That said, it is a fair question to ask the game host. If WOGs will happen, then I will remove my vote from Lord Winter, and return that vote to him if he ever shows up to save his neck.

I shall PM the host with said question.

[Kagemusha]

It's round 6, 5 straight rounds of inactivity from Lord Winter and not so much as a hint or peep from Sigurd about WOG-bait players, and nothing in the rules pertaining to WOGs, and Sigurd is the type of host who would specifically mention how much activity is required before you get tossed out. No warning even after round 6, nothing in the rules against total lurking, plus Lord Winter being active today and still not posting anywhere, tells me he knows it is legal and he can do it all he likes, and that Sigurd will never WOG anyone.

That said, it is a fair question to ask the game host. If WOGs will happen, then I will remove my vote from Lord Winter, and return that vote to him if he ever shows up to save his neck.

I shall PM the host with said question.

Thats fair enough.

Lets say the Sith are strong enough to kill anyone (100% kill rate) - it becomes similar to vanilla mafia. Even in that case, 2 out of 40 is very low numbers for mafia.

But the odds arent right if the Sith can recruit each time the other Sith dies. So i think the game could be very much balanced with the rule of two.

[Diana Abnoba]

@ Niklas

was busy IRL, when I got a chase to vote, found that the phase ended early.


@ Pizza

I see SOME of your logic about Atheotes, he isn't posting as his usual self, but neither is WE. Also I like to know how many phases you have to miss until you get WOG'd, I don't think Lord Winter has voted or posted yet. If he is not WOG'd, I would think he must be mafia. Does Sigurd WOG at all? Does anyone know?

Until someone better comes into focus Vote: Lord Winter

[atheotes]

Argh...edited a post with a vote
vote: White_eyes

and Diana posted while i was editing my post.

[Kagemusha]

Unvote and Vote: White_eyes is a legimite lynch. He came out from lurking when accused.While pever seems to act like in GH´s mafia.

[Andres]

Unlike my Sith apprentices, who are a dime a dozen, I will be trying desperately to avoid both suspicion and the lynch. Sith apprentices however can lurk, act scummy, and flirt with being WOG'ed. Like Yaseikhaan, they can lay limp as a ragdoll until they finally get lynched, and then will intentionally act scummy afterward. Those who lynched the scum look nice and pro-townie, especially if they were early on the "Khaan is scum" wagon. Or even if Khaan wasn't scum.... they could easily do this with any of their apprentices. Why not? You can act like you're a valuable, talkative contributor who is actively catching scum, while reducing the pool of Jedi with the lynch, the recruitment, and the murders. How can you go wrong with this strategy? All your recruits act like total scum, and it keeps you alive... and even if they don't act like scum, townies will probably get lynched, while you're hiding among the seemingly useful players, right in the town's "blind spot".

The Queens' gambit sounds like a move 'khaan would have come up with himself.

Who among the talkative, accusatory players do I see, avoiding all of the usual pitfalls like lurking, accusing pro-town roles, or voting without reasons? I see TinCow, I see Sasaki, I see Kagemusha and GeneralHankerchief. However, GH went after me too strongly early in the game, I think that's too risky for the Sith Lord. Sasaki also.

I'd like to place a Finger of Suspicion: on TinCow and Kagemusha as possible Sith Lords.

I fail to see why you exclude GH and Sasaki

[Andres]

It's only a gut feeling really, but I can't shake the feeling that GH is scum in this game.

EDIT: If I understand things correctly, GH subtly dropped a hint here and there through pm's about 'khaans' behaviour. That was what made people more suspicious about 'khaan and eventually got him lynched. Nothing too obvious, just a subtle hint here and there and then a post in the thread when 'khaans' fate was sealed. That in combination with the knowledge that Sith Lord can apparently recruit a new apprentice, makes me very suspicious of GeneralHankerchief.

Lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah Andres, let me save you some time... all the posts you may have missed in between, have shot my original theory you just quoted to pieces.

I don't believe it is plausible anymore, and I think from your reaction you did miss something. My advice is to take a walk backward and read it if you haven't.

Now: I'm going to shut up because I've posted enough in just this one round to fill a small mafia game in my failed attempt to accuse someone intelligently. If you need me contact me privately because I am apparently a post-making machine and that clutters up the thread and makes it hard for players like Diana to keep up.

[Thermal]

good luck with that.
Seriously, you can do better than this. I dont want this to be a distraction. There is no point in revealing in thread. the only person i am willing to reveal to is Chaotix.

By this point you've practically admitted that you have an important role.

[Diana Abnoba]

Sorry honey, but this is so true. While I was posting (I don't type fast at all) like 20 more post passed and so my last post doesn't make as much sense now.

[Andres]

Ah Andres, let me save you some time... all the posts you may have missed in between, have shot my original theory you just quoted to pieces.

I don't believe it is plausible anymore, and I think from your reaction you did miss something. My advice is to take a walk backward and read it if you haven't.

Now: I'm going to shut up because I've posted enough in just this one round to fill a small mafia game in my failed attempt to accuse someone intelligently. If you need me contact me privately because I am apparently a post-making machine and that clutters up the thread and makes it hard for players like Diana to keep up.

I take it you didn't read my post #1636 post edit.

I would lynch GH. The subtle behaviour behind the scenes simply smells like a trick him and 'khaan would come up with. The connection between those two is too obvious to ignore.

[atheotes]

By this point you've practically admitted that you have an important role.

maybe...maybe not. It is open to interpretation

[Thermal]

maybe...maybe not. It is open to interpretation

A lot of pro town roles flying around, perhaps Sigurd was more liberal than he let on.


Or perhaps not....

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Generalhankerchief

[unlurk]I'll hear back about WOGbait players soon enough. Until then may as well be somewhat constructive with my vote.[/lurk]

[atheotes]

I take it you didn't read my post #1636 post edit.

I would lynch GH. The subtle behaviour behind the scenes simply smells like a trick him and 'khaan would come up with. The connection between those two is too obvious to ignore.

interesting theory... that does seem possible.
these quoted posts will serve as WIFOM

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

In space there is no day.

Vote: Andres

Vote: Andres

That's who GH voted for, so its clearly a wise choice.

Vote: Beskar

Once more, my general hath shown me the direction.

Vote: Beskar

[Diana Abnoba]

I found out through Pizza, though Sigurd, that there will be WOGs in this game. So we don't need to WOG/lynch the lurkers ourselves. With that info I will;
Unvote: Lord Winter Vote: GH

[Diamondeye]

Finally people are coming to their senses regarding GH.
vote: GH

[Subotan]

I want to hear GH's reply first before I'd feel confident to cast a vote for him, although he has a lot of questions to answer, so HoS:General Hankerchief

However, there is someone who is active and who has failed to address the concerns we have about him.

Vote:Thermal Mercury

[TinCow]

It's only a gut feeling really, but I can't shake the feeling that GH is scum in this game.

EDIT: If I understand things correctly, GH subtly dropped a hint here and there through pm's about 'khaans' behaviour. That was what made people more suspicious about 'khaan and eventually got him lynched. Nothing too obvious, just a subtle hint here and there and then a post in the thread when 'khaans' fate was sealed. That in combination with the knowledge that Sith Lord can apparently recruit a new apprentice, makes me very suspicious of GeneralHankerchief.

Lynch him.

I agree about GH, but would like your take on ATPG. He has been very aggressive here, which is not consistent with his behavior over the last several months. It's more like the old ATPG from his early mafia games. I am also having difficulty shaking the fact that we all know he is recruitable. Has Sigurd ever had a recruiting ability in any of his games? If so, have the recruitments shown up in the write-up?

For now I will
Vote: GH
but ATPG needs to be closely scrutinized. You can't be outed as recruitable and be left alone in a game like this.

[Husar]

Good, then we will have successfully sniffed out all the pro-town roles. Oh poo, darn and drat. That's just how it goes. I'm not particularly in the mood to care, this hasn't been a game for pro-town roles and I understand that others can gain abilities anyway. Whoever you are, you aren't worth more than Beskar/Chaotix/Psychonaut were.

You think it isn't frustrating enough for the pro-town roles that the very people they try to help act stupid because they lack all kinds of info and then get them killed on top of it?
If I were a pro-town role I wouldn't have revealed as easily as most of them and I would have killed off Secura for even hinting at my role...
There's a right time for such things and it's usually not in the first half of the game.
Might also want to have a closer look at Kage, although you probably wouldn't find much even if he is Sith, probably similar for TinCow.

[Andres]

I agree about GH, but would like your take on ATPG. He has been very aggressive here, which is not consistent with his behavior over the last several months. It's more like the old ATPG from his early mafia games. I am also having difficulty shaking the fact that we all know he is recruitable. Has Sigurd ever had a recruiting ability in any of his games? If so, have the recruitments shown up in the write-up?

For now I will
Vote: GH
but ATPG needs to be closely scrutinized. You can't be outed as recruitable and be left alone in a game like this.

I found it odd that ATPG says it can't be him, because his character is female, while the write-ups talk about cloaked figures and never clearly indicate the gender ("the cloaked figure", "the person" in combination with the occasional "his" doesn't say something about the gender, imo).

But let's not lose focus now. I'm very well aware that I'm not infallible, but this time, I'm pretty certain GH is scum. This whole thing just has 'khaan and GH written all over it. Make sure the General gets lynched, no reverse bandwagon in the last 2 hours please; stay focused and keep those votes on GH.

If GH turns out to be innocent, I'll take all the blame for his lynch