StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[naut]

How is Diamondeye still even alive?

My guess would be that Niklas was in fact the master, and as such there's a good chance they aren't strong enough to attack a Jedi Master yet. It took two of them to take out Yoda, and now they are possibly without their original master.

As long as we're discussing people who are still alive and should not be, what did you do last night, Psychonaut?

I was protecting Diamondeye.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd love some pressure on Centurion, Subotan, or Johnhughthom, if someone is undecided.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, part of the reason I was suspicious of choxorn was because he popped up out of nowhere. I see now that he's a replacement.


A few things I looked over make Autolycus a VERY tempting lynch choice. Given that there actually was a 2nd recruit yesterday, take a look at the autolycus vs WE bit.

[Splitpersonality]

I'd love some pressure on Centurion, Subotan, or Johnhughthom, if someone is undecided.

Vote: Subotan

PRESSURE!

[autolycus]

I'm going to vote:Centurion1. He's contributed virtually nothing to the thread all game long, and only votes about one out of every three days, including casting one of the votes on pevergreen that kept niklas alive an extra day.

[naut]

I'm going to hold back until Diamondeye posts his results. We don't want to start an unstoppable wagon on someone only for Diamondeye to dismiss it entirely. Some pressure is fine though.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Really, autolycus has to be lynched. He plays just like cowhead, who was very successful as mafia.

[ULC]

I'm sorry, but has everyone gone mad? There is no new convert, just a Sith Lord of MASTER rank performing a kill and a recruitment - pay attention to the kill methods! I'm betting a successful recruitment reveals no name, otherwise a full name reveal would make recruitment useless.

Vote: Subotan, FoS: pevergreen, autolycus

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry, but has everyone gone mad? There is no new convert, just a Sith Lord of MASTER rank performing a kill and a recruitment - pay attention to the kill methods!

Yaropolk
Renata

There were two kills, though.

[ULC]

Yaropolk
Renata

There were two kills, though.

Unsuccessful recruitment, host reflections, or mafioso meddling, take your pick - and yes, confirmed with Sigurd there is some leeway with the write ups. I'd think it would make sense, really, if it was a recruitment attempt - most Sith apprentices are recruited through force and aggression, those who fail were never meant to be Sith anyway.

Again, kill methods are the same for both, thus it is the same Sith, and he isn't using Force Avalanche, which appeared to be Niklas's ability.

[Subotan]

I would like to hear ATPG's case for me being Sith. Something more substantial than the use of the word "We", please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would like to hear ATPG's case for me being Sith. Something more substantial than the use of the word "We", please.

If you have a better method for finding scum, then demonstrate it. I don't see you putting pressure on anyone, just blending in when necessary. And of course, defending yourself and saying "we" a lot, like two very different players did in two very different games.

psst.... they were scum.

[Renata]

Don't forget, DE stripped niklas of his breath control ability to enable the lynch. He wouldn't do it if he was his partner.

Why the heck wouldn't he? It was part of the "deal" that kept Niklas alive another night -- he'd have been lynched himself if he'd failed to take that.

[Renata]

Diamondeye first revealed to me on the night that I died. If he was Sith, what motivation would he have for doing this?

-He did not know I would become a Ghost and defend him later. I did not know I would become a Ghost.

Easy. You might not be a ghost, but you'd still be around to say nice things about him, presumably. Also witness Niklas cooking up yet another attack on Beskar (both to me in private, and in the thread) after he'd already sent in the kill order on him. He did it to make it look as if he *didn't* know that Beskar was about to be dead. Diamondeye could easily be the same thing.

-He provided an opportunity for both myself and Obi-Wan to be protected that night. I suggested that he use his ability to protect Obi-Wan, so that I could protect myself and not leave him open to attack. Otherwise, it was a gamble between protecting me and protecting him. It also enabled me to investigate Obi-Wan that night (although, because I was killed, it didn't work).

Diamondeye up above claims exactly the opposite, that he suggested he protect someone else, so you could investigate/protect him. Can you check your records on this? It seems a fairly important point.

-This move can only garner suspicion from him if he fails. He did fail, and I was suspicious of him, but this is not a move that a mafioso makes for precisely that reason! If he was mafia, he would have just killed me and been done with it, without making himself known to me first.

Given this is (in part) Niklas that we're dealing with, I am confident to say this is a BAD assumption.

Diamondeye's still a bad lynch. I want to hear the results he's got.

This much we agree on (about the results -- I think he has to be lynched today).

[Subotan]

I do have a better method. I am Streen, and I was investigated last night. I am not sure who it was who investigated me, but they will be able to vouch for me when they come online.

Vote:John

Your wish is my command ATPG

[johnhughthom]

Vote: autolycus

Following Yoda.

[TinCow]

Unsuccessful recruitment, host reflections, or mafioso meddling, take your pick - and yes, confirmed with Sigurd there is some leeway with the write ups. I'd think it would make sense, really, if it was a recruitment attempt - most Sith apprentices are recruited through force and aggression, those who fail were never meant to be Sith anyway.

Again, kill methods are the same for both, thus it is the same Sith, and he isn't using Force Avalanche, which appeared to be Niklas's ability.

On re-read, I think YLC is correct. Check out this bit from the Barrison Draay kill:

The cloaked figure stared at him with glowing amber eyes as if assessing him. Barrison was not too comfortable with the situation. The figure finally looked a bit disappointed, if one could attribute such emotions to those hard amber eyes emitting pure hatred.

That does indeed look like an attempt to recruit, followed by a kill. While there were two kills, the Rule of Two would presumably prevent the Sith from recruiting if there were already two of them. So, we may indeed still be dealing with a single mafioso. Note that that would almost certainly clear ALL of the replacement players.

The question then becomes... what was the Sith doing with his other night action two nights ago?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do have a better method. I am Streen, and I was investigated last night. I am not sure who it was who investigated me, but they will be able to vouch for me when they come online.

Vote:John

Your wish is my command ATPG

That at least gets us somewhere. I doubt you'd be able to shield yourself from investigation, kill, and also attempt to recruit all at the same time. Maybe, but still....

Fair enough, John needs pressure.

[Subotan]

@Tincow

Take a look at how Barrison was killed

The figure lifted one hand and lightening shot out of it. Barrison Draay felt the agonizing electricity pounding the very core of his being

Lightning is a force ability that can be learned by knights, correct? In that case, we could be looking at some kind of initiation process for an apprentice, or it might be a Jedi Vig kill.

[TinCow]

Lightning is a force ability that can be learned by knights, correct? In that case, we could be looking at some kind of initiation process for an apprentice, or it might be a Jedi Vig kill.

The amber eyes and the red lightsaber are not consistent with a vig kill.

[TinCow]

On consideration...

Unvote; Vote: autolycus

I suspect there's a reason I haven't been attacked yet.

[Renata]

*sigh* If it's Diamondeye, I reserve the right to say I told you so. If not, well, that would hardly be anything unusual for me for this game.

What reason, TinCow?

[Renata]

Also, good God I hate to say this, but a missing action from the night that Psychonaut was investigated/roleblocked and a recruitment attempt was made on Diana might even imply that Psychonaut should be back in the mix ...

Ugh I hate this. I need coffee.

[naut]

I suspect there's a reason I haven't been attacked yet.

He knows who you are, correct? He's claimed to have been in contact with several players.

[TinCow]

Also, good God I hate to say this, but a missing action from the night that Psychonaut was investigated/roleblocked and a recruitment attempt was made on Diana might even imply that Psychonaut should be back in the mix ...

That would only be true if the roleblock stopped one action of the target, but not more than one. That seems... unlikley and unbalanced. My bet would be that the Sith was doing some other kind of night action, another investigation power maybe.

[edit] Worth noting that a Niklas + autolycus mafia team is a 100% CFC mafia team. That would explain the N1 hit of Husar... no way for them to know that he'd been gone from mafia games for a long time.

[autolycus]

I'm clean, I don't know what more I can do to prove it. TinCow, before I started playing here, I read most of the mafia games of the past year, so I knew who had and hadn't been playing recently.

[atheotes]

I'm going to vote:Centurion1. He's contributed virtually nothing to the thread all game long, and only votes about one out of every three days, including casting one of the votes on pevergreen that kept niklas alive an extra day.

Is that an attempt to find a scapegoat?

Vote: Autolycus

I was away for the last couple of days. Apologies i couldnt be of any assistance.
Renata, i started as a Jedi Knight and got promoted to a master. I did not have any night actions except "Hide my force powers from investigators" - so the sith could make himself investigation immune if he had that.

@ Chaotix - one of my force powers was "Force Ghost" and it was stated that i could vote even after i die. I am not sure why you did not know about it before you died.

[autolycus]

Atheotes, it's more a vote against someone who may be attempting to lurk their way to victory. It was also an attempt to pressure him to speak up and it was a vote somewhere else that anyone who believes me to be innocent could join. I'm not going to vote for myself when I know I'm innocent, so I voted for someone else.

[White_eyes:D]

Psychonut was BLOCKED last night....Now the Sith Lord has two kills this night?(while he was protecting Qui-Gon?)

[naut]

Psychonut was BLOCKED last night....Now the Sith Lord has two kills this night?(while he was protecting Qui-Gon?)

Not this rubbish again. I've had my name cleared what 3ish times, and now you are trying to drag it through the mud, again. Sorry buddy, but I don't see your angle, there's no feasible way for me to be Sith. Diamondeye investigated me, and then didn't try to get me lynched, comprende? Unless we are scum buddies with our BFF necklaces, your insinuation is hollow as a log convention.

As I see it, and I said earlier, my guess is that the Sith, in the same way Diamondeye does, have two actions, and spent 2 nights ago finding a recruit. That would result in 1 kill two nights ago and 2 last night, because we are once more up against 2 Sith.