Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

[plutoboyz]

what? you must never heard what your teacher says in history subjects... Kesultanan Demak are founded by Majapahit Muslim prince, "Raden Patah", who coordination with "wali songo" caused a significant portion of Majapahit army to embrace Islam, and support Demak instead... So that's why they are essentially same army type, with minor variants in elite units (Raden Patah and Wali Songo are Muslim Chinese, so it was not surprising, when the recent scroll translations shown that Demak employs sizeable numbers of Chinese (muslim) soldiers. While majapahit still stucked with older style soldiers, like macemen, and axemen, which was still very intimidating due to their prowess, and the later axemen employs war tattos made of human (enemy) blood)

well, and the "forest worker elephants" are esentially local elephant forces, pressed to serve in war..... better not to remove them... as they are generic unit for every native factions

I do listen my teacher. but what I meant is that Demak, is one of most technologically advanced army along with Aceh, Melaka and Banten. there must be a significant difference between Majapahit and Demak.

btw, I don't see Balamati Pamanah? Removed? and about Pamarang, because their name is pamarang doesn't mean they carry Parang. they carry sword(Pědang).

[Cute Wolf]

I do listen my teacher. but what I meant is that Demak, is one of most technologically advanced army along with Aceh, Melaka and Banten. there must be a significant difference between Majapahit and Demak.

btw, I don't see Balamati Pamanah? Removed? and about Pamarang, because their name is pamarang doesn't mean they carry Parang. they carry sword(Pědang).

They can train pikemen, while Majapahit can't
They can train disciplined Arab Swordsmen, while Majapahit can't
They can train chinese gunners and elite guards (w crossbows), while Majapahit can't
And I not yet updated the artillery, but Majapahit will only get a few, while Demak had second best full acess of Artillery after Aceh... (discounting Europeans)

[plutoboyz]

They can train pikemen, while Majapahit can't
They can train disciplined Arab Swordsmen, while Majapahit can't
They can train chinese gunners and elite guards (w crossbows), while Majapahit can't
And I not yet updated the artillery, but Majapahit will only get a few, while Demak had second best full acess of Artillery after Aceh... (discounting Europeans)

Thats what I mean. you merge the list, confuse me. btw, Why Jawi? Jawi is Malaysian Arab Abjad. and where is trisula warrior? Sriwijaya known for It's Trisula User.

[Cute Wolf]

Thats what I mean. you merge the list, confuse me. btw, Why Jawi? Jawi is Malaysian Arab Abjad. and where is trisula warrior? Sriwijaya known for It's Trisula User.

I'm affraid you are mistaken about Jawi... ancient Javanese called the greater jawa as Jawi... and remember that one of the primary sources are "Babad Tanah Jawi"

And about Trisula? I know it, but it was more ceremonial (and assasination-related) nature than battle worthy... a dagger which only had a small section of sharpened tip, no more than 30 cm in blade length, and the proper user must put his middle and index fingers in the grip. I think their nobles will carry it on their armour as backup, but an't be portayed in real battle sequences...

And if you may argue that will be longer variation for battle, I will said that put aside Strict Palembang and Pasemah Area, there was no evidence of widespread trisula weaponary... perhaps we could use them as regionals? (but definitely not with 30 cm blade)

[plutoboyz]

30 cm? no, I mean The Spear version. its used sometimes by Sunda-Galuh, Banten and Cirebon which I'm sure introduced by Sriwijayan during Java Expedition.

[Cute Wolf]

oh, garpu perang? (Damn, when I heard Trisula, I always remember Ninja Turtles).... ngga banyak dipakai, mungkin ntar jadi regional aja...

[Nyz]

gunpowder units:
Generic Gun Skirmishers (gun-gunclub)
Melayu Regular Gunners (gun-golok)
Melayu Turkish Gunners (gun-scimitars)
Melayu-Palembang Sultan's Royal Gunners (gun-scimitars)

Generic Gun Skirmishers (gun-gunclub) : Penjurit Istinggar / Laskar Istinggar, which one better?

Melayu Regular Gunners (gun-golok) : Pegawai Istinggar

Melayu Turkish Gunners (gun-scimitars) : Soldadu Istinggar / Ispinggar (well, in Hikayat hang Tuah, the one that used scimitar and gun was called serdadu / seridadu / soldadu or we are using Turkish language?, while ispinggar is in Hikayat Acheh, the soldier that used gun and Busur Perasi (Persian-bow, used by crew of Mir'at as-Safa [Acheh Royal battleship])

Melayu-Palembang Sultan's Royal Gunners (gun-scimitars) : Awinan Estanggar (Awinan / Pengawinan is royal spear-bearer, can we design the gun to be decorated?)

Melayu Turkish Cav (cavarchers-cavscimitars)

Not found any translated word yet. Maybe we can use Turkish word?

Melayu-Sriwj Mariners (archer-2handed tombak) = Tentera Laot
Malakan Elite Mariners (javelin-kapak) = Hulubalang Laot

I think Laut is the standard spelling in Kamus.

Melayu Shock Trooper (double scimitar) = Tentera Penggempur

First, I suggest Tentera penggempur because I directly translated it from English. But when you said it was employed because of the "Pengampunan" system, I suggest new name: Orang Suruhan (this phrase was found many in Hikayat and text), or Orang Kerahan (found in Syair Sultan Maulana) or Tentera Kerahan / Askar Kerahan / Kerahan Tenaga