Doctor Who?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

True, true, but I'd say scary - in a good way. However it sounds.

I'm not suprised about our poor Doctor's reluctance - she was barely 7 years old three (?) days earlier.

She made little Doctor and Amy dolls for years for (old style) Daleks' sake!

Oh, he doesn't know about the dolls yet!

Still, she litterally looked like she wanted to eat him.

Not that that isn't a little bit sexy, but still.

[Vladimir]

Oh, he doesn't know about the dolls yet!

Still, she litterally looked like she wanted to eat him.

Not that that isn't a little bit sexy, but still.

He does. It was mentioned in the first episode.

I'm a little confused about her not remembering the Darleks though. I thought she didn't meet them until episode 3.

The British nationalism in this season is a bit odd. I wonder if it will reduce their international viewers.

[cegorach]

The British nationalism in this season is a bit odd. I wonder if it will reduce their international viewers.

I don't think it is such a problem.
There are only two episodes - so far - where it appears in some form and one is steam-punkish a bit so it suits it very well. Which means only one is actually quite nationalistic, all right - a lot.

But is it so different in previous seasons? Some episodes in the past were so full of pathos that I almost started laughed, but this is British series, mainly for British viewers and it is their right to add something from time to time.

Besides with the Master elected the Prime Minister of Great Britain in one episode, the UK turning into a nazi state in another or farting aliens wearing ministers' skins like suits there is a doze of self-irony providing some balance to the series.
I am sure there will be similar also in this season and with this doctor.

[Vladimir]

But is it so different in previous seasons? Some episodes in the past were so full of pathos that I almost started laughed, but this is British series, mainly for British viewers and it is their right to add something from time to time.

The Doctor belongs to everyone on Earth; not just the Britons!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

He does. It was mentioned in the first episode.

I'm a little confused about her not remembering the Darleks though. I thought she didn't meet them until episode 3.

The British nationalism in this season is a bit odd. I wonder if it will reduce their international viewers.

He doesn't know she's still making them, I think.

RE: the Daleks

She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?

[Vladimir]

He doesn't know she's still making them, I think.

RE: the Daleks

She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?

Still making them??? Weird.

Daleks: That could be it. The show either goes too fast for me or takes too much liberty with "time lines." I understand what you're saying. Either way it seemed like blatant foreshadowing. I hoped it would be a bit more subtle; a bit more, English.

[Banquo's Ghost]

RE: the Daleks

She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?

Daleks: That could be it. The show either goes too fast for me or takes too much liberty with "time lines." I understand what you're saying. Either way it seemed like blatant foreshadowing. I hoped it would be a bit more subtle; a bit more, English.

New Series 4; The Stolen Earth/Journey's End finale saw Davros and the Dalek Empire steal the Earth from its orbit to help power the Reality Bomb. Every person alive at the time (which includes Amy) saw the Dalek invasion and experienced the events of that time.

This is further referenced in The Waters of Mars special, where Adelaide Brook sees a Dalek during that time, is spared, and goes on to found the Mars base. The Doctor concludes that she was allowed to live because the Dalek knew she was part of a fixed point in Time.

If Amy knows nothing about these events, it indicates a different timeline is operating.

[miotas]

I don't think it's a different timeline, the Dr Who universe doesn't have separate timelines since time can be changed, I think the battle of Canary Wharf and the events in The Stolen Earth have simply ceased to exist, "eaten" by the cracks like the clerics.

Did anyone else think the "hero of many" killed by River is the doctor?

[Secura]

Did anyone else think the "hero of many" killed by River is the doctor?

Yup, same thought here.

Caught up with the latest episode last night, enjoyed it for the most part; somewhat disappointed with Amy and Rory reconciling their differences over the Doctor and the latter becoming a permanent addition to the TARDIS... I think it takes away from the Doctor-Amy dynamic too much.

[Vladimir]

I don't think it's a different timeline, the Dr Who universe doesn't have separate timelines since time can be changed, I think the battle of Canary Wharf and the events in The Stolen Earth have simply ceased to exist, "eaten" by the cracks like the clerics.

NOOOOOOO!!!! We're going to have to start enforcing spioler warnings in this thread.

[Beskar]

New Series 4; The Stolen Earth/Journey's End finale saw Davros and the Dalek Empire steal the Earth from its orbit to help power the Reality Bomb. Every person alive at the time (which includes Amy) saw the Dalek invasion and experienced the events of that time.

This is further referenced in The Waters of Mars special, where Adelaide Brook sees a Dalek during that time, is spared, and goes on to found the Mars base. The Doctor concludes that she was allowed to live because the Dalek knew she was part of a fixed point in Time.

If Amy knows nothing about these events, it indicates a different timeline is operating.

I think the Daleks actually succeeded. The Darek's plan was actually to wipe out reality in all dimensions. What is occuring is pretty much just that, but with "cracks". This means the Daleks never fully did it as intended, but managed to crack the universe to cause the effect. The reason no one remembers is because the cracks already wiped the incident out, like with those soldiers. People's minds magically changed.

For the Doctor, who is a time traveler, his mind is working differently and thus not suspectible. The other creatures which are similar are the same, and are attempting to flee it.

It could be the same for other cast characters. Their minds might not have changed like that, but even then, how would they know that people forgot about the darleks?

What is obviously, however, is that there is something up with that entire village.

[Vladimir]

New Series 4; The Stolen Earth/Journey's End finale saw Davros and the Dalek Empire steal the Earth from its orbit to help power the Reality Bomb. Every person alive at the time (which includes Amy) saw the Dalek invasion and experienced the events of that time.

This is further referenced in The Waters of Mars special, where Adelaide Brook sees a Dalek during that time, is spared, and goes on to found the Mars base. The Doctor concludes that she was allowed to live because the Dalek knew she was part of a fixed point in Time.

If Amy knows nothing about these events, it indicates a different timeline is operating.

Yes I know about the reality bomb, and Tenet's brilliant acting that accompanied it . What is unclear is the time frame in which it occurred. I don't know what "year" it occurred in relative to the years Amelia (a much better name) is alive. No biggie; the scene just should have been reshot.

I don't see how the Waters of Mars episode relates to the new characters. I have mixed emotions about that episode. Bad writing I guess, but there were flashes of brilliance.

I don't read too much into it and just try to enjoy the episodes.

[miotas]

Yes I know about the reality bomb, and Tenet's brilliant acting that accompanied it . What is unclear is the time frame in which it occurred. I don't know what "year" it occurred in relative to the years Amelia (a much better name) is alive. No biggie; the scene just should have been reshot.

Relative to the Earth, it happened in 2009, so Amy was definitely alive and should have seen the Daleks along with every other human.

I don't see how the Waters of Mars episode relates to the new characters. I have mixed emotions about that episode. Bad writing I guess, but there were flashes of brilliance.

I don't read too much into it and just try to enjoy the episodes.

It doesn't really relate to the current events at all, but the fact that Adelaide Brook was inspired to go into space by coming face to face with a Dalek and living is just further proof that every person should know about the Daleks.

[tibilicus]

He doesn't know she's still making them, I think.

RE: the Daleks

She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?

Where did you get the fact she's still making them from? Do you mean since she's been travelling with the doctor?

I must have missed this.

[Beskar]

There is no British nationalism, it is "take-the- out of Britain". Everything done is shows how bad Britain is. For example, Britain trapped a caring space creature and tortured it for hundreds of years. Is that nationalism? Winstonchurchill is a petty thief, keep trying to steal the Tardis key. Is that nationalism?

[Secura]

There is no British nationalism, it is "take-the- out of Britain". Everything done is shows how bad Britain is. For example, Britain trapped a caring space creature and tortured it for hundreds of years. Is that nationalism? Winstonchurchill is a petty thief, keep trying to steal the Tardis key. Is that nationalism?

It's all performed under the BBC Wales banner, what else could we have expected? :D

[Vladimir]

Wait a minute. We can't say in the Frontroom?